London Best Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 01/02/2021 at 18:01, London Best said: split pistol grips, painted wood grain, sprayed on stock finish, plastic butt plates, carp quality which comes as standard @button just a few of the things you can expect to find regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, London Best said: @button just a few of the things you can expect to find regularly. Utter tripe! Got alot to back that up have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, button said: Pretty sure a "carp silver pigeon" as you would call it will last out many a shooter if looked after correctly, they are better quality than you seem to think, have a look you might be surprised! The silver pigeons and all the 68 series from 20 years ago are outstanding guns probably the most reliable guns ever made. But and it's a big but the modern Beretta's are just not built as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, bornfree said: The silver pigeons and all the 68 series from 20 years ago are outstanding guns probably the most reliable guns ever made. But and it's a big but the modern Beretta's are just not built as well. May be not as well, and we could argue that point still the cows come home, but regardless the new ones are still good guns which will outlast most shooting careers with the right care But the tripe spouted by London Best is ridiculous and views of someone who has no experience of the product Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, button said: Got alot to back that up have you? I think you will find it’s all facts. And I never stated SP’s were carp. I said there were many carp features as standard. Unfortunately, they spoil what was a good design. Edited February 6, 2021 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, London Best said: I think you will find it’s all facts. And I never stated SP’s were carp. I said there were many carp features as standard. Unfortunately, they spoil what was a good design. Really? Somebody tell you? Heard it from a friend of a friend? spli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Coil springs. Cheap. Cheerful. Like those that work the ejectors on my Boss I assume? Or the one that works Holland's 1922 patented self-opening mechanism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, London Best said: @button just a few of the things you can expect to find regularly. What would suggest instead as a reliable gun that’s rugged enough to really use but still handles acceptably for most people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, welshwarrior said: What would suggest instead as a reliable gun that’s rugged enough to really use but still handles acceptably for most people? I believe SPs to be generally reliable enough, apart from the breaking across the pistol grip issue. Handling is a very subjective thing. What one prefers another finds clumsy, or too light, or heavy , or too whippy. Some people even find pump actions with moderators to have acceptable handling. One of the most successful guns ever is cheaply made ugly and I cannot imagine it handles well, but I don’t want an AK47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, London Best said: I believe SPs to be generally reliable enough, apart from the breaking across the pistol grip issue. Handling is a very subjective thing. What one prefers another finds clumsy, or too light, or heavy , or too whippy. Some people even find pump actions with moderators to have acceptable handling. One of the most successful guns ever is cheaply made ugly and I cannot imagine it handles well, but I don’t want an AK47. If the SP is so bad why does every shooting school use them as their primary gun, what are they the best sell gun in the UK? As a side note The AK47 is a totally different beast it’s an assault rifle I’ve use a few and they handle ok for a battle rifle the AKM on AK74 are slightly better. But let’s get back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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London Best Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, welshwarrior said: If the SP is so bad why does every shooting school use them as their primary gun, what are they the best sell gun in the UK? Don’t exaggerate what I have said. I have not said it is so bad. I said I believe it has various quality issues as standard, and it has. It is the entry level gun, made to a price not a standard, from the oldest and one of the most respected gunmakers in the World. I guess shooting schools use them because they are the cheapest gun they can buy that is good enough to do what they need. Even I always recommend a beginner thinking of buying a cheaper new gun to forget it and buy a secondhand Beretta or save a bit more for a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Quote I said there were many carp features as standard. Quote stock bolts, split pistol grips, painted wood grain, sprayed on stock finish, plastic butt plates, coil spring actions and all the other carp quality Stock bolts, sprayed on stock finish, coil spring actions, plastic butt plates etc. are a feature of most guns produced today. I am unaware of the pistol grip splitting being a problem. Other than the painted wood grain, I am bewildered by your labelling them as "carp". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, London Best said: Don’t exaggerate what I have said. I have not said it is so bad. I said I believe it has various quality issues as standard, and it has. It is the entry level gun, made to a price not a standard, from the oldest and one of the most respected gunmakers in the World. I guess shooting schools use them because they are the cheapest gun they can buy that is good enough to do what they need. Even I always recommend a beginner thinking of buying a cheaper new gun to forget it and buy a secondhand Beretta or save a bit more for a new one. You said they where carp, my assumption is your are avoiding the swear filter for a word meaning not very good. Shooting schools don’t tend to use things that aren’t very good and being not very good doesn’t lend itself to being a best selling item. Not seen the split pistol grip thing and looked after quite a lot of them. If I’ve misunderstood ‘carp’ I apologise and please explain it’s meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 11 hours ago, London Best said: Don’t exaggerate what I have said. I have not said it is so bad. I said I believe it has various quality issues as standard, and it has. It is the entry level gun, made to a price not a standard, from the oldest and one of the most respected gunmakers in the World. I guess shooting schools use them because they are the cheapest gun they can buy that is good enough to do what they need. Even I always recommend a beginner thinking of buying a cheaper new gun to forget it and buy a secondhand Beretta or save a bit more for a new one. If it has various quality issues as standard why are they are best seller? The two don't normally go together. The fact is like everything you may get the odd one with an issue but putting into perspective, with the numbers sold it will be a very very small % Think dug a hole that will get deeper the more you try to defend your defenceless comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Beretta holdings own Beretta USA .Benelli Franchi Sako Tikka Uberti Stoeger Burris optics and now H&H Stoeger of Turkey make barrels for some Beretta and Benelli Sako and Tikka are still great rifles Benelli are good semis So i think they will be good for H&H and may get an H&H rebadged Italian for the more affordable range Rolls Royce are owned by BMW and also mini and they're doing ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, sabel25 said: Beretta holdings own Beretta USA .Benelli Franchi Sako Tikka Uberti Stoeger Burris optics and now H&H Stoeger of Turkey make barrels for some Beretta and Benelli Sako and Tikka are still great rifles Benelli are good semis So i think they will be good for H&H and may get an H&H rebadged Italian for the more affordable range Rolls Royce are owned by BMW and also mini and they're doing ok Some just don't like change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, button said: Some just don't like change If it was'nt for these companies. Thinks would be very different. They say the UK make nothing? We have Nissan Honda Toyota BMW all made in factories in the UK along with many other companies. Just as the UK invest in Asian countries and other countries. It's commerce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, sabel25 said: If it was'nt for these companies. Thinks would be very different. They say the UK make nothing? We have Nissan Honda Toyota BMW all made in factories in the UK along with many other companies. Just as the UK invest in Asian countries and other countries. It's commerce 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, button said: 100% 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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