redial Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Anyone watching tonight and your predictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Watching dancing. ATM Motsi has lost a bit of weight 🥰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Nearly time. This is a fight I just didn't want to happen. I'm hoping AJ doesn't just flatten Usyk. I like the Ukranian's style far too much for that and it'd be a waste of an unblemished record. In an ideal world, I'd have a far stronger cruiserweight division and for Usyk to be able to stay there. But there's not the calibre of fighter there, so I guess he feels he needs to prove himself in the next weight up. But if he wins, we can all kiss Fury-Joshua good bye for a couple of years at least. Lose-lose for me, whoever wins! AJ by knockout, or Usyk on points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicky Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 If Usyk can take the punch power or more accurately avoid it, he wins. A big if, AJ has to make the weight advantage pay without gassing. he’s a similar weight to last time out but around a stone heavier than against Ruiz the second time round. Good to see the conduct at the weigh in, classy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted September 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I am thinking A.J. with a bit in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Usyk's round. Just. Maybe? Well that was a bit of a pudding of an opener. Edited September 25, 2021 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 7 down. 5-2 Usyk?! Where's Joshua's physicality? Usyk's a nightmare, but you have to go to your strengths, whomever you're facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I think Joshua needs a knockout. Fury must be laughing his socks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I think Joshua needs a knockout. Fury must be laughing his socks off. I agree. But if I was Usyk, I wouldn't want it to go to the judges. Knowing boxing's record there, they'd probably give the bout to Alvarez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 If Joshua wins on points - I will be astonished. He has had a boxing lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: If Joshua wins on points - I will be astonished. He has had a boxing lesson. If he's won on points, I'm giving up on boxing, because Usyk's taken him apart there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted September 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 50 minutes ago, redial said: I am thinking A.J. with a bit in hand. I'll get me coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Usyk deservedly wins. Something missing in Joshua's armoury. He is big, great punch, reasonably quick, questionable chin. Lack of bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Even the crowd can't bring themselves to boo. Irrefutable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Not sure Joshua has the heart to get into a real battle. Fine when he is knocking smaller boxers out, but when he has to dig deep, the bucket comes up empty from the well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Not sure Joshua has the heart to get into a real battle. Fine when he is knocking smaller boxers out, but when he has to dig deep, the bucket comes up empty from the well. Possibly. But maybe he's just a lousy champion. He needs something to prove, something tangible to win. It seems like he's really poor at self motivation. Against Klitschko, he still had everything to prove and came out and showed what he'd got, but whenever he's got nothing to prove, he struggles to show any drive. He goes in clear favourite against Parker and wins, but wins badly. Then he gets beaten by a really poor fighter in Ruiz. Suddenly the motivation's there and he comes back and wins and wins well. Then comes Usyk, and AJ's favourite again, but looks devoid of drive and ambition. He's coming across as someone who relies on external motivation, not internal drive. The best fighters - Ali, Lewis, Hagler, SRL, Klitschko - were all fired from within. Joshua needs to learn that or he's never going to be anything other than better than most, but never the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, chrisjpainter said: But if he wins, we can all kiss Fury-Joshua good bye for a couple of years at least. Lose-lose for me, whoever wins! AJ by knockout, or Usyk on points From what I've read AJ got schooled, by a smaller opponent in only his 3rd heavyweight fight!! And unfortunately it probably means the Fury fight will never happen, so Fury doesn't get to shut him up. 13 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: The best fighters - Ali, Lewis, Hagler, SRL, Klitschko - were all fired from within. Joshua needs to learn that or he's never going to be anything other than better than most, but never the best. He's never going to be in their class, better and bigger than most but never a great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Mice! said: From what I've read AJ got schooled, by a smaller opponent in only his 3rd heavyweight fight!! And unfortunately it probably means the Fury fight will never happen, so Fury doesn't get to shut him up. He's never going to be in their class, better and bigger than most but never a great. No, he won't be. It's funny (bear with me, I'm not mad...I promise), but in theory and on paper I think AJ could have beaten Ali. Would he have done? No chance, he'd have been schooled, but not because of boxing ability or style. He just can't go deep enough. He can't do what Ali did to Foreman. There is none of the unshakable will to win, that belief that he can find a way. So a slow start festers in the head. He doesn't lose one round. He loses two, three or four rounds. Then the fight's gone and he's just a clueless rabbit waiting for the 12th to end. AJ has raw materials that could (again, in theory) beat almost any fighter in history, but he's so bad at using them at times. A fighter can have a blip (Lewis Vs Rahman springs to mind), but AJ's poor performances are starting to look predictable and thematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Oh well, that's that then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 9 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: AJ has raw materials that could (again, in theory) beat almost any fighter in history, but he's so bad at using them at times. A fighter can have a blip (Lewis Vs Rahman springs to mind), but AJ's poor performances are starting to look predictable and thematic. Anyone can have an off day, but a world champion should go out on their shield, not be beaten on points. I wonder what the excuses will be, and what Fury will say about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted September 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 I think A.J. would be favourite in the rematch and come out from the start showing some aggression. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Tyson Fury will be thinking - if the fight ever goes ahead - that he will stop Joshua. All fighters can get knocked down, but the greats get up. I have little time for Dillian Whyte, but he called it right. Joshua is worried about his chin. In Joshua's camp, I would be worried about his chin, his lack of stamina, lack of movement at a lighter weight, motivation and bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Mice! said: I wonder what the excuses will be, and what Fury will say about it? Something along the lines of "robotic dosser" I would imagine. Joshua tried to box a far superior boxer and lost. He needs to use his size advantage and bully him, he was never going to outbox Usyk, I think he's well underrated and joshua has been over rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 11 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: No, he won't be. It's funny (bear with me, I'm not mad...I promise), but in theory and on paper I think AJ could have beaten Ali. Would he have done? No chance, he'd have been schooled, but not because of boxing ability or style. He just can't go deep enough. He can't do what Ali did to Foreman. There is none of the unshakable will to win, that belief that he can find a way. So a slow start festers in the head. He doesn't lose one round. He loses two, three or four rounds. Then the fight's gone and he's just a clueless rabbit waiting for the 12th to end. AJ has raw materials that could (again, in theory) beat almost any fighter in history, but he's so bad at using them at times. A fighter can have a blip (Lewis Vs Rahman springs to mind), but AJ's poor performances are starting to look predictable and thematic. Aj would destroy Ali, as would practically any top ten fighters today. Its an unfair comparison and shouldn't be done but like all sports, boxing has moved on from that era. I don't think his loss had anything to do with digging deep, he did that by making the distance, he tried to box a superior boxer, rather than have a scrap and finish him early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Predictions for the rematch (assuming it happens)? Repeat of last night or Joshua comes out with a new, better game plan like he did with Ruiz? Personally I think repeat of last night, unfortunately - it's hard to knock out someone you can't hit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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