scobydog Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Strong possibility i'll be purchasing a 10 Bore Aya double this week, it will come with what the owner describes as a shed load of lead cartridges. As i have no intention at all of doing inland stuff in Scotland, i would like to know if it is possible to open the cartridges remove the lead then replace with Bismuth shot. As the gun and carts are priced very reasonably the cost of the Bismuth shot is not an issue for me. The main questions are 1. can it be done, 2 can i increase/decrease shot size. Many thanks in advance for your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 I would be nervous about this. You don’t know what he has loaded or the quality of it. Personally I would deconstruct the cartridge if it is possible to save the cases and start from scratch with a load specifically for bismuth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted September 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Hi Dave, These are factory rounds, definitely not reloads as I know he has never reloaded and only ever buys factory stuff. Regards scobydog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Interesting. is bismuth the same weight as lead? you would have issues with wad capacities for comparable weight. You might have a look at ITX 10. Im sure there will be others that will be horrified with this notion..😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 I was warned not to do it years ago , Something about volume and density difference I loaded my own using a blue dot recipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted September 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 hour ago, holloway said: I was warned not to do it years ago , Something about volume and density difference I loaded my own using a blue dot recipe. Fair enough, sounds like a no go. Tks for your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Shoot the lead at clays and then Relode the cases there’s probably a assortment of types and loads so IMO very bad practice to swap lead for bismuth I’m assuming that it’s a 3 inch aya there’s plenty of data available for you to choose from blue dot is a good powder starting point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted September 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Won't know chamber until I collect it, probably a 3", to be honest I don't really want to go down the whole reloading route. Probably find some standard steel if they are available for a 10g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 hours ago, scobydog said: Hi Dave, These are factory rounds, definitely not reloads as I know he has never reloaded and only ever buys factory stuff. Regards scobydog In that case I would use them on clays and as said use the cases for reloads with a proper bismuth recipe. Given that bismuth has less density than lead loading by volume is not the way to go. Claygame have loads for bismuth I am sure as I have used it in the eight bore but prefer ITM. Call them. all the Aya’s I know of are 3 1/2” chambers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) The AYA will be a 3 1/2 inch chambers. If the shells ante Winchester lead they will make good money, sell them or swap for reloading components, and start from scratch. Ps I’ve owned two of these aya (Matador’s) very nice guns. Edited September 26, 2021 by muncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Defo 3 1/2 I have had 2 , great guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted September 26, 2021 Report Share Posted September 26, 2021 Hi scobydog decided what to do with your cartridges when you get them. Don’t just fire them. I don’t know if commercial loads are available in 10gauge bismuth . I think most people with 10gauge would load their own cartridges. If you’re a member of a wildfowling club maybe other members could give you advice on reloading ,and maybe reload some cartridges for you. I to had a AYA 10gauge and I reloaded for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joknob Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 density...steel=7.8...bismuth=9.7...lead=11.3,not recommended.craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 I do not know of any clay shooting grounds that permit the use of large sizes of lead shot, so that suggestion seems a non-starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 I don’t think I have seen bismuth loads for sale , maybe try John foresy ,he has a good selection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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