miki Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, old'un said: Although I am not into rifles as much as some people I do have a .22lr on an open ticket, my understand of the term “open” means I can shoot with this rifle on any land (approved or not) that I feel safe to-do so, or am I wrong? [A] This question is for those with a lot more knowledge than me, if you have an open ticket with a number of calibres on it to shoot anything from a rabbit to a red deer do you still need the land approved for that calibre? [B] With an 'open ticket' you are authorised to use the firearms and ammunition (identified on your certificate) to shoot all lawful quarry and for zeroing and practice on ranges and land, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. This is the normal in Scotland. You are of course responsible for where you shoot and to ensure that you are not presenting any danger to anyone else. So [A] you are not wrong and [B] No the land doesn't need to be 'approved' if you have an 'open ticket' and lawful authority to shoot on/over that land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, miki said: With an 'open ticket' you are authorised to use the firearms and ammunition (identified on your certificate) to shoot all lawful quarry and for zeroing and practice on ranges and land, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. This is the normal in Scotland. You are of course responsible for where you shoot and to ensure that you are not presenting any danger to anyone else. So [A] you are not wrong and [B] No the land doesn't need to be 'approved' if you have an 'open ticket' and lawful authority to shoot on/over that land. And does that apply to any calibre you have on your open ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: Although I am not into rifles as much as some people I do have a .22lr on an open ticket, my understand of the term “open” means I can shoot with this rifle on any land (approved or not) that I feel safe to-do so, or am I wrong? This question is for those with a lot more knowledge than me, if you have an open ticket with a number of calibres on it to shoot anything from a rabbit to a red deer do you still need the land approved for that calibre? I was inder the understanding that the reason for an open ticket was that you made the decision as to safety and the correct calibre for the job. The only poroviso is as on my certificate one of my rifles is 375 calibre and designated for overseas use only which suits me as until wild boar start to get prevalent then I do not need it's use here in the UK. If this is not the case then the term 'open ticket' is a misnomer. Regarding the diagram above..... where's the 'Head' so commonly incorrectly used these days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, old'un said: Although I am not into rifles as much as some people I do have a .22lr on an open ticket, my understand of the term “open” means I can shoot with this rifle on any land (approved or not) that I feel safe to-do so, or am I wrong? This question is for those with a lot more knowledge than me, if you have an open ticket with a number of calibres on it to shoot anything from a rabbit to a red deer do you still need the land approved for that calibre? Not for one moment am I saying that I have more knowledge, but I do happen to know the answer to this, no. A while back I got shouted down for this. All fullbore rifles are centrefire, but not all centrefires are fullbore. It could possibly be less confusing if for anything at or over .230" we termed as fullbore. One problem we have is progress - especially with regards RF. Is 17RF for short range something small or plinking? Not so sure now that we have 400ftlbs in the shape of the WSM. Assuming that you were granted authority - not government sponsored - it could be legal to shoot Brock with a 22LR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Walker570 said: I was inder the understanding that the reason for an open ticket was that you made the decision as to safety and the correct calibre for the job. The only poroviso is as on my certificate one of my rifles is 375 calibre and designated for overseas use only which suits me as until wild boar start to get prevalent then I do not need it's use here in the UK. If this is not the case then the term 'open ticket' is a misnomer. Regarding the diagram above..... where's the 'Head' so commonly incorrectly used these days ? Try calling the case a cylinder and see what happens. (Spent far too long as a chief range warden on a MOD (RN) range). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Yup, say no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 thanks peeps, really appreciate the uplift of my knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: And does that apply to any calibre you have on your open ticket? Yes, unless 1 or more rifles/calibers are restricted (dfor example: designated for overseas) in which case, you haven't got an 'open ticket'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Walker570 said: <snip> Regarding the diagram above..... where's the 'Head' so commonly incorrectly used these days ? It starts off as a lack of knowledge or understanding (didn't we all ?) and then it migrates into ignorance and finally stupidity. Those who continue to call bullets by the wrong name fall into the later category, or are pandering to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Another question that I am totally unsure of is this, if I have an open ticket and my only rifle is a .22rl, and I wish to add another rifle suitable for deer would that rifle also come under my open ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, old'un said: Another question that I am totally unsure of is this, if I have an open ticket and my only rifle is a .22rl, and I wish to add another rifle suitable for deer would that rifle also come under my open ticket? Depends where you are in my experience. I had nothing bigger than .22WMR for years, and when my ticket eventually became ‘open’ ( now I think of it I can’t ever remember it not being open ) and applied for .243, it came back open. Ever since then my renewals have always come back as ‘ for zeroing and shooting over land on which the owner has permission’ or whatever the terminology is, and AOLQ. My nephew and two mates first CF applications came back AOLQ, with no stipulation of mentoring. Not sure whether they were open or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, old'un said: Another question that I am totally unsure of is this, if I have an open ticket and my only rifle is a .22rl, and I wish to add another rifle suitable for deer would that rifle also come under my open ticket? Unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Unlikely. Care to expand on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, old'un said: Care to expand on that. Yes, could you confirm whether you are talking about .22"RF or .22"CF as you stated rl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 What’s wrong is tho the fact when I loose my 243 ground I will loose the gun even with my open ticket . It’s stupid . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, team tractor said: What’s wrong is tho the fact when I loose my 243 ground I will loose the gun even with my open ticket . It’s stupid . What are your chances of finding some more ground before your tickets expire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes, could you confirm whether you are talking about .22"RF or .22"CF as you stated rl. Typo, should have been .22LR rim fire Edited February 22, 2022 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Scully said: What are your chances of finding some more ground before your tickets expire? Around here it’s slim . I’ve lost 4+ farms off hs2 . The guy I shoot for is in his 70s and fantastic but he’s getting on . The other 243 ground is in for development ( housing ) and hs2 . I still have ground elsewhere but it’s getting slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, team tractor said: What’s wrong is tho the fact when I loose my 243 ground I will loose the gun even with my open ticket . It’s stupid . If you have nowhere to shoot over then you have no reason for a gun. If you were a member of a shooting club or regularly visited a range or could prove you went on paid stalks (for example) then you could. Nothing stupid about that IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, miki said: If you have nowhere to shoot over then you have no reason for a gun. If you were a member of a shooting club or regularly visited a range or could prove you went on paid stalks (for example) then you could. Nothing stupid about that IMO. I have loads to shoot over but it’s only passed to .223 even tho it’s the neighbouring ground and perfectly safe . a lot of my shooting is random places which you would never get passed even tho I shoot all around it . example . I shoot 200acres around the one 3 acre field that my mate owns but I’d never get his passed . You can have no where to use a shotgun but still keep one in the cabinet. I really can’t see the difference between 223 and 243 on the ground . Both travel 3000fps and only have half a mm difference in size but I need the bigger gun to control the deer Edited February 22, 2022 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Unlikely. As with all these applications it will vary which force is handling the enquiry. They all seem to have their own agenda over and above that indicated by the HO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 18 hours ago, team tractor said: I have loads to shoot over but it’s only passed to .223 even tho it’s the neighbouring ground and perfectly safe . a lot of my shooting is random places which you would never get passed even tho I shoot all around it . example . I shoot 200acres around the one 3 acre field that my mate owns but I’d never get his passed . You can have no where to use a shotgun but still keep one in the cabinet. I really can’t see the difference between 223 and 243 on the ground . Both travel 3000fps and only have half a mm difference in size but I need the bigger gun to control the deer If you have an open ticket why you cant you use the .243 on land where you have permission and its safe to-do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: If you have an open ticket why you cant you use the .243 on land where you have permission and its safe to-do so? Even with an open ticket you still need to have one piece of ground which is cleared for your largest calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: If you have an open ticket why you cant you use the .243 on land where you have permission and its safe to-do so? I use my 243 everywhere I shoot as I class it as all safe . Only one bit of ground is a bit iffy using anything in one direction so I don’t bother on there . 2 minutes ago, Luckyshot said: Even with an open ticket you still need to have one piece of ground which is cleared for your largest calibre. Exactly. It’s a strange law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, team tractor said: I use my 243 everywhere I shoot as I class it as all safe . Only one bit of ground is a bit iffy using anything in one direction so I don’t bother on there . Exactly. It’s a strange law Given the permission and the open cert, you can crack on, surely. That is, of course, provided you can still show by naming it that you do actually have somewhere to shoot - possibly the land detailed on your initial application and which reflects your largest calibre. If for whatever reason that is lost then it seems only sensible - barring the exceptions (paid stalking, etc) - to provide details of an alternative in order to validate your cert'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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