Interesting read.

[Penelope]

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2022/10/27/ammunitionleadban/

[old'un]

Agreed a good article and read, but unfortunately its preaching to the converted, the article is written by a gunmaker, so its a case of “he would say that wouldn't he”.

[Penelope]

13 minutes ago, old'un said:

Agreed a good article and read, but unfortunately its preaching to the converted, the article is written by a gunmaker, so its a case of “he would say that wouldn't he”.

Yes, but he is not the one that looks like they are making things up.

[Dave-G]

25 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Yes, but he is not the one that looks like they are making things up.

Agreed, and openly declaring his interest too. 

[rbrowning2]

good article however the lead is toxic ban shooting lot will only need to read to the second paragraph, as they would say if you cannot shoot humanely without using toxic shot and the government cannot condone such cruelty then ban game shooting, QED.

are all demonstrably inferior ballistically, risking the end user getting forced into being less humane, possibly even cruel, by the Government when harvesting said game.

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by rbrowning2

[wymberley]

1 hour ago, rbrowning2 said:

as they would say if you cannot shoot humanely without using toxic shot and the government cannot condone such cruelty then ban game shooting, QED.

They have to be prepared to condone it on the grounds that they're responsible for it. Simple. The government's own criteria for the use of NTS has still to be met and one could argue that as the definition of cruelty is the indifference to suffering, then they're guilty as charged.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, wymberley said:

They have to be prepared to condone it on the grounds that they're responsible for it. Simple. The government's own criteria for the use of NTS has still to be met and one could argue that as the definition of cruelty is the indifference to suffering, then they're guilty as charged.

Good post.
I think the comment ‘ the definition of cruelty is the indifference to suffering’ is the best description of shooting I’ve ever read, and one we must all at times be guilty of, in pursuit of ‘sport’. 
We’re scuppered on that basis, unfortunately. 

[cash1]

Birds pricked with lead shot do survive. I had an old pricked Pinkfoot given to me some 16 years ago. He was well over 50 when a fox took him. The family still miss him he was a real character and never forgot a face.

I wonder how many pricked birds carrying steel shot will survive?

[muncher]

4 hours ago, cash1 said:

Birds pricked with lead shot do survive. I had an old pricked Pinkfoot given to me some 16 years ago. He was well over 50 when a fox took him. The family still miss him he was a real character and never forgot a face.

I wonder how many pricked birds carrying steel shot will survive?

I’ve shot several carrying steel shot and lead.  I breasted a pink out this year and thought I’d scoundrel one of my pellets, no it was a steel bb on the breast bone, it was a little bit corroded.

[marsh man]

6 hours ago, cash1 said:

Birds pricked with lead shot do survive. I had an old pricked Pinkfoot given to me some 16 years ago. He was well over 50 when a fox took him. The family still miss him he was a real character and never forgot a face.

I wonder how many pricked birds carrying steel shot will survive?

Wow that ole Pink was certainly getting on a bit , we had a pricked White Front that had already got his Black chest bars when it was shot , we had him up the allotment for over 20 years and he always maintained his limp in one its feet , when we moved he was beginning to look a poor ole thing so we put the ole ****** down .

[Gas seal]

Birds will survive with lead shot in them. I’ve shot birds and rabbits with shotgun and air gun pellets in them. People survive with bullets in them. The question is what happens to birds when they eat lead pellets. I don’t know if Mr Crudginton is a shooter or a journalist but what he said about less humane and possibly cruel non lead ammunition will upset or amuse a lot of wildflowers. He should take a brace of lead shot pheasants to any falconer and offer them for his birds to eat and see what scientific answers he gets. If there is a ban on lead shot the government or anyone else can’t force people to use non lead shot      It’s use it or stop shooting. If he thinks it’s cruel he should stop shooting and let the people who know how to use it get on with it. A lot of people in this and other countries have been using steel cartridges for a long time. Thanks for showing the article .

[cash1]

On 16/11/2022 at 17:06, muncher said:

I’ve shot several carrying steel shot and lead.  I breasted a pink out this year and thought I’d scoundrel one of my pellets, no it was a steel bb on the breast bone, it was a little bit corroded.

I shot a pink a few seasons ago that was carrying 4 steel pellets that looked like BBB. One had penetrated the breast by roughly 10mm the remainder just below the skin. The whole of the breast around the pellets was rust coloured and to me it was uneatable.

My question is. Would the iron oxide have slowly killed that goose, or would it have absorbed it and survived?  I now use nickel or copper plated shot. It probably doesn't make a difference, but it might.