oowee Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 11 hours ago, Gordon R said: That is the crux of the matter. We will have to wait for the Policeman's explanation. If there were genuine grounds for suspecting that, I would have to revise my opinion. If there were not, then it is not right that someone is dead. 👍 10 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: I was in disbelief when the 2 Police unions issued statements blatantly referring to the people (it appear aimed at ethnic minorities) as vermin and saying they were at war! 👍 8 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Hope it doesn't come here! 👍 Its reminiscent of the pointless riots we have had here in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, oowee said: 👍 👍 👍 Its reminiscent of the pointless riots we have had here in the past. Pointless.........maybe ! BUT, it created an area where Police had to have specific permission prior to entering ?? I recall similar copy cat riots in Manchester, but their Chief told his troops to "get in there and sort it " they did ! Very few arrests, but the riots didn't last a week ! Edited July 2, 2023 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Where was the civil unrest when Andrew Harper was dragged to his death and the offenders only charged with manslaughter. I can't think of a more horrific way to die. No protests whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Westley - I presume you mean the late and great James Anderton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Rem260 said: Where was the civil unrest when Andrew Harper was dragged to his death and the offenders only charged with manslaughter. Indeed, but the circumstances were very different; The victim was a member of the 'authorities' The perpetrators were members of a 'minority group' The (very many of us) who were both shocked, outraged and hugely sympathetic to the victims family are 'law abiding citizens' - and I'm also sure the family would not have wanted riots. No point in going into more detail, but it was a horrific case and I don't think proper justice was done - but I wouldn't have rioted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Indeed, but the circumstances were very different; The victim was a member of the 'authorities' The perpetrators were members of a 'minority group' The (very many of us) who were both shocked, outraged and hugely sympathetic to the victims family are 'law abiding citizens' - and I'm also sure the family would not have wanted riots. No point in going into more detail, but it was a horrific case and I don't think proper justice was done - but I wouldn't have rioted. Me neither and I wouldn't have condoned others rioting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Westley - I presume you mean the late and great James Anderton. I know your views Gordon, but he certainly put an end to their riots in quick time. Oh, and he also bought our clay team a pint 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Westley - I didn't subscribe to all of his views - some I thought were extreme - but I trusted him to run a proper Police Force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 in this country UK....the Riot Act was introduced in 1715...and remained in force in its entirity until 1967....after which it was repealed and watered down.....correct me if im wrong but the Act was read to the protesting miners before the baton charge...............and then since then i believe Tony Blair put the nail in the coffin of the act do you think it prudent to re-awaken the act...for future use before **** happens ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, ditchman said: .and then since then i believe Tony Blair put the nail in the coffin of the act Most of the issues we are facing at the moment come back to said war criminal's period in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Just now, Yellow Bear said: Most of the issues we are facing at the moment come back to said war criminal's period in power. Hah ....true with help of his letter box mouth wife.......and his scumbag advisors....thinking of ways to catch votes so they can continue to empty the trough and do insider deals........... i feel vitriolic profanity welling up in my throat ...so i will stop...............................................................i would like to add that i had a wonderful dream the other night where i witnessed Tony Blair and his mates impaled on wooden stakes up the jacksie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 On 30/06/2023 at 20:54, Dave-G said: He was spoken to by two cops at the window, at least one clearly showing his aimed gun - might be fair to assume he had been uncooperative or evasive before driving away, as can be expected from a potential terrorist needing to be stopped. It looked to me like the car started to pull away before the shot was fired and a moving target makes it harder for accurate shot placement when suddenly being nudged as the car took off. The subject may have panicked into a strewth situation but the cop had to make a spontaneous decision based on what he's seen or suspects is occuring. Driving away from a traffic stop does not make you a terrorist suspect, and if the officer got it wrong he should pay the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, ordnance said: Driving away from a traffic stop does not make you a terrorist suspect, and if the officer got it wrong he should pay the price. As always, it depends on the circumstances which none of us have in full. We'll need to wait for the results of the investigation before claiming who was at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 48 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: As always, it depends on the circumstances which none of us have in full. We'll need to wait for the results of the investigation before claiming who was at fault. what i have heard ...(dont know wether it is true or not)............is in France....if a driver drives away from a police stop order.....and drives away without being released....the police are automatically allowed to shoot without fear of being prosicuted.... this "happening" is definatly not a first and has happened many times before i understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Harsh, but fair. If everyone knows the rules. - and where would we be without rules ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 11 hours ago, ditchman said: what i have heard ...(dont know wether it is true or not)............is in France....if a driver drives away from a police stop order.....and drives away without being released....the police are automatically allowed to shoot without fear of being prosicuted.... this "happening" is definatly not a first and has happened many times before i understand That is what I have heard, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 11 hours ago, ditchman said: what i have heard ...(dont know wether it is true or not)............is in France....if a driver drives away from a police stop order.....and drives away without being released....the police are automatically allowed to shoot without fear of being prosicuted.... this "happening" is definatly not a first and has happened many times before i understand I wasn't aware of that, thanks 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Quote what i have heard ...(dont know wether it is true or not)............is in France....if a driver drives away from a police stop order.....and drives away without being released....the police are automatically allowed to shoot without fear of being prosicuted.... this "happening" is definatly not a first and has happened many times before i understand Its not that straight forward. Quote By law French police are allowed to shoot. That includes when the driver or occupants of a vehicle ignore an order to stop ( and are deemed to pose a risk to the officer's life or physical safety, or other people's. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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