owain Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, jall25 said: Just wait until Labour get in - OH MY ! Might as well give them a chance, can’t really get any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, owain said: Might as well give them a chance, can’t really get any worse. Blimey, you have a very short memory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Blimey, you have a very short memory! This !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owain Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Blimey, you have a very short memory! Care to enlighten me then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, owain said: Care to enlighten me then? Last time labour were in, they left a note in the treasury saying ”sorry, we spent all the money, there is nothing left” They got into power, spent everything and still ended up failing. But in all fairness it doesn’t matter who gets in. None of them seem to be able to actually do anything. Very few proper politicians left now that actually care, they are career politicians who are in it for what they personally can get out of it. As for Brexit, still better off out than in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 We need balance. Neither are better than the other but two terms of either is one term too much. 1 minute ago, shaun4860 said: 2 minutes ago, shaun4860 said: Last time labour were in, they left a note in the treasury saying ”sorry, we spent all the money, there is nothing left” They got into power, spent everything and still ended up failing. But in all fairness it doesn’t matter who gets in. None of them seem to be able to actually do anything. Very few proper politicians left now that actually care, they are career politicians who are in it for what they personally can get out of it. As for Brexit, still better off out than in. Yep but they only spent all that was in the drawer. This lot have spent the credit card too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, oowee said: We need balance. Neither are better than the other but two terms of either is one term too much. Not really. Historically, the country has always been left much worse off following a period of Labour government. The winter of discontent, anyone? Even that pseudo tory, Blair, couldn't make the numbers work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owain Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, shaun4860 said: Last time labour were in, they left a note in the treasury saying ”sorry, we spent all the money, there is nothing left” They got into power, spent everything and still ended up failing. But in all fairness it doesn’t matter who gets in. None of them seem to be able to actually do anything. Very few proper politicians left now that actually care, they are career politicians who are in it for what they personally can get out of it. As for Brexit, still better off out than in. Aye the tories made such a good job they had a few million spare to give to their friends during Covid. And liz truss and the chancellor managed to crash the economy in the 32 hours they were in the job. To be fair they are all as bad as each other might as well give the other guy a chance to screw us over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 FACT: Every Labour Government (bar one minority Labour Gov't in the 1920s) has left office with unemployment higher than when they came into office. https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-unemployment-record/ Whilst I agree the present Gov't has a poor record, there is no doubt in my mind that under Labour (Corbyn or Starmer led) things would have been considerably worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, oowee said: We need balance. Neither are better than the other but two terms of either is one term too much. they are ALL BLOODY SNAKEOIL SALESMEN/WOMEN (mustnt leave them and all them others out)...............they will PROMISE the world and as soon as they are in......NAFF ALL...........Manifesto's...........are a littany of lies and that goes for all present parties oh ....................and dont ask me what the solution is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, owain said: Because the country is an absolute car crash, thanks to the tories and brexit 👍 The country's a car crash but I certainly wouldn't blame brexit for that. 2 hours ago, owain said: Might as well give them a chance, can’t really get any worse. Why not give reform a go instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The country's a car crash but I certainly wouldn't blame brexit for that. Why not give reform a go instead? the trouble with Reform...UKIP...etc.....they are fine at the top...they have erudite speakers and people with experience....but that is where it stops.....the candidates they field across the country are total wanabee muppets......they cant do the talk and they cant do the walk....they are dreamers...waisters.... even the National socialists in Germany in 1930's they could field semi litterate candidates.....(apart from the odd chicken farmer...and junkie ex world war 1 ex fighter pilot) things have got to get worse before folk take a punt on the unknown.............and it will get worse....there will be running battles in the streets and physical attacks on parliament........ its a bloody mess STOP PRESS this is just my opinion....im open to listening to every ones point of view Edited July 21, 2023 by ditchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 44 minutes ago, ditchman said: the trouble with Reform...UKIP...etc.....they are fine at the top...they have erudite speakers and people with experience....but that is where it stops.....the candidates they field across the country are total wanabee muppets......they cant do the talk and they cant do the walk....they are dreamers...waisters.... even the National socialists in Germany in 1930's they could field semi litterate candidates.....(apart from the odd chicken farmer...and junkie ex world war 1 ex fighter pilot) things have got to get worse before folk take a punt on the unknown.............and it will get worse....there will be running battles in the streets and physical attacks on parliament........ its a bloody mess STOP PRESS this is just my opinion....im open to listening to every ones point of view Couldn't agree more, but imo without the threat of a party coming in and giving the voters what they want, the big ones will continue to promise the world and deliver nothing. I really believe if we as the people don't show government we're serious that we want democracy, are tired of woke nonsense, the elites and scroungers taking to big of a cut and the working masses left with very little, we will vote someone in who will give change, regardless of any negative consequences. Besides, could it really be any worse than what Blair did to the UK anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Couldn't agree more, but imo without the threat of a party coming in and giving the voters what they want, the big ones will continue to promise the world and deliver nothing. I really believe if we as the people don't show government we're serious that we want democracy, are tired of woke nonsense, the elites and scroungers taking to big of a cut and the working masses left with very little, we will vote someone in who will give change, regardless of any negative consequences. Besides, could it really be any worse than what Blair did to the UK anyway. yup ...i agree with you.........but things need to get worse before the British electorate is brave enough to put their cross on a total unknown...........the trouble with proportional representation is we will end up with a mish mash of parties doing a loose deal to work together the conservertive party is falling apart.....the labour party is falling apart.............mostly for the reason of trying to retain their seat (and self interest) to ensure the revinue continues to flow into their bank acc's.........................politicians dont give a bloody toss about the electorate......all their aim is to take money off us...pay off left wing woke pressure groups and pass any legistasion that will introduce more control over the people of this country.... Farage is leading the fight back and is making headway....the people of this country ...bit by bit are starting to wake up.................i just hope its not too late...... my god what a rant.........i need to take more pills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, ditchman said: yup ...i agree with you.........but things need to get worse before the British electorate is brave enough to put their cross on a total unknown...........the trouble with proportional representation is we will end up with a mish mash of parties doing a loose deal to work together the conservertive party is falling apart.....the labour party is falling apart.............mostly for the reason of trying to retain their seat (and self interest) to ensure the revinue continues to flow into their bank acc's.........................politicians dont give a bloody toss about the electorate......all their aim is to take money off us...pay off left wing woke pressure groups and pass any legistasion that will introduce more control over the people of this country.... Farage is leading the fight back and is making headway....the people of this country ...bit by bit are starting to wake up.................i just hope its not too late...... my god what a rant.........i need to take more pills Absolutely agreed, the way I see it, the biggest risk is allowing the government to continue on its path unabated, so there's no way I'm going to put my X in the box of a party I know is going to **** down my back while trying to convince me it's raining. Besides, if change isn't made soon, the damage could be far worse than any simply ineffective party could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Absolutely agreed, the way I see it, the biggest risk is allowing the government to continue on its path unabated, so there's no way I'm going to put my X in the box of a party I know is going to **** down my back while trying to convince me it's raining. Besides, if change isn't made soon, the damage could be far worse than any simply ineffective party could do. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, ditchman said: ...........they will PROMISE the world and as soon as they are in......NAFF ALL...........Manifesto's...........are a littany of lies Thing is, when you are in opposition it’s easy as you say to promise the world because you don’t have to back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, shaun4860 said: Thing is, when you are in opposition it’s easy as you say to promise the world because you don’t have to back it up thats how MOMENTUM started...Corbyn promising to abolish uni fee's and legalise pot............and they fell for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 9 hours ago, shaun4860 said: Thing is, when you are in opposition it’s easy as you say to promise the world because you don’t have to back it up Yep. Brexit in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Lets vote labour in When Kiers Stammer was director of public prosecution's Jimmy Saville was still drawing breath and what happened to him ?> Never mind all the u turns he has made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bigbob said: Lets vote labour in When Kiers Stammer was director of public prosecution's Jimmy Saville was still drawing breath and what happened to him ?> Never mind all the u turns he has made just listening to him make a speech...whilst checking my e-mails...................lieing ....comes very easy to politicians...they are so accomplished they cant diffirentiate between between the truth and non truth anymore...........and people ( the labour faithful)....just lap it up ...they love it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 At least if labour get in they have kicked Dianna Abbott out imagine her getting a place on the cabinet then we would really be screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bigbob said: At least if labour get in they have kicked Dianna Abbott out imagine her getting a place on the cabinet then we would really be screwed They still have their leader Rayner to forward Abbott and Co's policies once elected. I do believe Labour will create a fair society though. Everyone will be poor and worse off !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Rem260 said: They still have their leader Rayner to forward Abbott and Co's policies once elected. I do believe Labour will create a fair society though. Everyone will be poor and worse off !!! Everyone that is who isn't an MP, or a trades union official. Labour will do what they always do. Weaken the economy (mind you, the Tories have been almost as bad in that respect), push up unemployment, and tax the 'easy middle' (i.e. most working people and pensioners) heavily. The very rich will escape as the 'loopholes' will remain, and the very poor will benefit form a 'benefits for votes' attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 It wont matter who gets in they only look after themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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