Remembrance sunday

[Gordon R]

I think it's a bit more serious than that.

[Penelope]

10 hours ago, clangerman said:

prob here because he’s not a ex hamas leader at all it’s media cobblers! 

Do you have some evidence, please?

[12gauge82]

Anyone have a link or name for this individual?

Pm if necessary 

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Anyone have a link or name for this individual?

Pm if necessary 

In these articles

https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/22/hamas-chief-revealed-as-living-in-london-council-house-whilst-masterminding-plots-19702590/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hamas-chief-lives-london-council-house-uk-phnpsssx5

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12719807/former-hamas-chief-london-council-house-plan-armistice-day-pro-palestine-protest.html

https://www.gbnews.com/news/hamas-news-muhammad-qassem-sawalha-london-council-house

[derbyduck]

On 06/11/2023 at 11:34, ditchman said:

just use cow slurry tanker spreaders...........i would

Pig slurry would be the best ! IMHO .😁

[old man]

12 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I think it's a bit more serious than that.

Me too, no knowing who is around now?

[Scully]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

In these articles

https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/22/hamas-chief-revealed-as-living-in-london-council-house-whilst-masterminding-plots-19702590/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hamas-chief-lives-london-council-house-uk-phnpsssx5

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12719807/former-hamas-chief-london-council-house-plan-armistice-day-pro-palestine-protest.html

https://www.gbnews.com/news/hamas-news-muhammad-qassem-sawalha-london-council-house

If it’s common knowledge, then how come he’s free to come and go, given that the BBC hammers home every night that the UK considers Hamas a terrorist organisation? 
I’m assuming the Met’ are on his case? 🤷‍♂️

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

If it’s common knowledge, then how come he’s free to come and go

I can't answer that, other than to say that what the Home Secretary says and what the various 'enforcement bodies' (i.e. police, immigration etc.) actually do seem to be largely unconnected.  I think it is common knowledge being fairly well reported by the several 'factions' of the press - from 'The Times' to the dregs!

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

If it’s common knowledge, then how come he’s free to come and go, given that the BBC hammers home every night that the UK considers Hamas a terrorist organisation? 
I’m assuming the Met’ are on his case? 🤷‍♂️

Pity the BBC doesn't think so, though.

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

In these articles

https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/22/hamas-chief-revealed-as-living-in-london-council-house-whilst-masterminding-plots-19702590/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hamas-chief-lives-london-council-house-uk-phnpsssx5

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12719807/former-hamas-chief-london-council-house-plan-armistice-day-pro-palestine-protest.html

https://www.gbnews.com/news/hamas-news-muhammad-qassem-sawalha-london-council-house

Thank you John very much appreciated.

Though I'm not sure reading that I would have rather not known. We must be the laughing stock of the world.

[old man]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Thank you John very much appreciated.

Though I'm not sure reading that I would have rather not known. We are the laughing stock of the world.

Corrected it for you.

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, old man said:

Corrected it for you.

Thank you, unfortunately your correction is far more appropriate.

[armsid]

And trade union leaders are going to join marches for palestine on Remembrance Day and the met have said they will not stop the marches Should be interesting

[JohnfromUK]

It seems the Police are over ruling the Prime Minister;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/08/sunak-vows-to-hold-met-chief-accountable-over-armistice-day-march

https://news.sky.com/story/armistice-wrong-day-for-gaza-protest-barclay-says-as-he-reveals-ongoing-govt-talks-despite-police-green-light-13003150

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12727873/Rishi-Sunak-Met-Chief-held-accountable-pro-Palestine-march-Remembrance-weekend-Sir-Mark-Rowley.html

[Scully]

Isn’t the March taking place nowhere near the Cenotaph or the Remembrance route? Even the organiser of the latter states they have every right to protest. 
If it’s nowhere near the Remembrance route then I don’t really see the problem. 
The media don’t HAVE to give the protest any coverage; they will, but they don’t have to. 

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Scully said:

Isn’t the March taking place nowhere near the Cenotaph or the Remembrance route? Even the organiser of the latter states they have every right to protest. 
If it’s nowhere near the Remembrance route then I don’t really see the problem. 
The media don’t HAVE to give the protest any coverage; they will, but they don’t have to. 

This is (lifted from "The Independant") the route of the official 'pro Palestine' march;

"The march’s route will take activists from the Marble Arch corner of Hyde Park at approximately 12pm on Saturday, head south through the capital down the Vauxhall Bridge Road and cross the River Thames en route to the US Embassy on Nine Elms Lane"

However I believe various other 'pre Palestine' and 'anti ??'  - one supposed to be organised by the right group involving Tommy Robinson are planning other demonstrations and not sure if they are giving away much about what and where.

[Yellow Bear]

33 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

However I believe various other 'pre Palestine' and 'anti ??'  - one supposed to be organised by the right group involving Tommy Robinson are planning other demonstrations and not sure if they are giving away much about what and where

We will all watch to see whether SB is proved correct if this occurs. (my betting is she is )

[old man]

12 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Thank you, unfortunately your correction is far more appropriate.

Sadly, very true. I constantly wonder, whenever, if ever the mirth will cease? Not hopeful.

[Penelope]

It appears that the Pro Palestine mob are descending on Red Cross offices in the City of London today. 5-800 expected.

Linked to a call for the ICC to get involved.

[Scully]

5 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

This is (lifted from "The Independant") the route of the official 'pro Palestine' march;

"The march’s route will take activists from the Marble Arch corner of Hyde Park at approximately 12pm on Saturday, head south through the capital down the Vauxhall Bridge Road and cross the River Thames en route to the US Embassy on Nine Elms Lane"

However I believe various other 'pre Palestine' and 'anti ??'  - one supposed to be organised by the right group involving Tommy Robinson are planning other demonstrations and not sure if they are giving away much about what and where.

Just going from what I saw on the tv last night; if someone wants to kick off I’m sure there’ll be some willing to accommodate them. 
I don’t see a protest on Remembrance Sunday as anything that shouldn’t go ahead, as long as it doesn’t interfere with those attending Remembrance services. 
Those who served in the wars served to preserve our freedoms to choose what we do, and that incudes the freedom to protest. 🤷‍♂️

[JohnfromUK]

13 minutes ago, Scully said:

Just going from what I saw on the tv last night; if someone wants to kick off I’m sure there’ll be some willing to accommodate them. 
I don’t see a protest on Remembrance Sunday as anything that shouldn’t go ahead, as long as it doesn’t interfere with those attending Remembrance services. 
Those who served in the wars served to preserve our freedoms to choose what we do, and that incudes the freedom to protest. 🤷‍♂️

I don't feel particularly strongly, but it would have been easy for them to avoid both Armistice Day (11/11) and Remembrance Sunday.  They really aren't good days to pick.   It does rather seem as that very day was chosen on purpose just as we read of 'pro Palestine' people driving out people selling poppies on station concourses etc. 

Poppy sellers, RBL members etc should also be free to sell poppies without fear of disruption and everyone should feel free to wear a poppy if they wish without fear it will get them harassed. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67344032

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729525/Protect-Poppy-sellers-Calls-rally-round-Britains-army-volunteers-terrified-raise-cash-nations-war-heroes-forced-leave-rail-stations-targeted-shops-amid-tensions-pro-Palestine-protesters.html

I should have thought that a simple discussion with the Police/Mayor or whoever is responsible along the lines "Yes, you can stage your demonstration, but not please on 11 Nov or 12th Nov.

[old man]

20 hours ago, Scully said:

Just going from what I saw on the tv last night; if someone wants to kick off I’m sure there’ll be some willing to accommodate them. 
I don’t see a protest on Remembrance Sunday as anything that shouldn’t go ahead, as long as it doesn’t interfere with those attending Remembrance services. 
Those who served in the wars served to preserve our freedoms to choose what we do, and that incudes the freedom to protest. 🤷‍♂️

Last sentence says it all? BUT only in a lawful way.

Edited November 10, 2023 by old man

[Rem260]

4 hours ago, Scully said:

Just going from what I saw on the tv last night; if someone wants to kick off I’m sure there’ll be some willing to accommodate them. 
I don’t see a protest on Remembrance Sunday as anything that shouldn’t go ahead, as long as it doesn’t interfere with those attending Remembrance services. 
Those who served in the wars served to preserve our freedoms to choose what we do, and that incudes the freedom to protest. 🤷‍♂️

I am sure if you asked them. Did you serve and your friends die so that on the 1 weekend a year. That the nation comes to remember your sacrifice. Others could also protest and take away peoples thoughts from the national rememberance and your friends ultimate sacrifice. 

I would imagine most would answer they did not.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Rem260

[Scully]

8 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

I am sure if you asked them. Did you serve and your friends die so that on the 1 weekend a year. That the nation comes to remember your sacrifice. Others could also protest and take away peoples thoughts from the national rememberance. 

I would imagine most would answer they did not.

Oh please! Firstly you don’t know any of that for a fact; my Dad certainly couldn’t have cared less. 
Secondly a lot were conscripted and weren’t given a choice, other than to be a conscientious objector. 
The war was fought against oppression and dictatorship, so those who survived, and the generations to come had the freedom to choose. Ironic or what! 
It’s right and proper that people will be annoyed if the Remembrance services are disrupted, but it hasn’t happened yet.
My Dad didn’t even care whether anyone wore let alone bought, a poppy. Freedom of choice. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Scully

[Rem260]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

Oh please! Firstly you don’t know any of that for a fact; my Dad certainly couldn’t have cared less. 
Secondly a lot were conscripted and weren’t given a choice, other than to be a conscientious objector. 
The war was fought against oppression and dictatorship, so those who survived, and the generations to come had the freedom to choose. 
It’s right and proper that people will be annoyed if the Remembrance services are disrupted, but it hasn’t happened yet.
My Dad didn’t even care whether anyone wore let alone bought, a poppy. Freedom of choice. 

What tosh. Most fight because that is what their country requests of them. They then fight to keep themselves and their mates alive. As you say a lot were conscripted which means they didn't have a choice and weren't fighting for an ideal.