Referee Threshold For A Firearms Certificate

[Rim Fire]

A mate of mine who has just applied for the renewal of his FAC and SGC  had an email yesterday saying that one of his referees is not upto the threshold of being a suitable referee 

The one referee is myself and the other is a mate of his we was both his   referee  on his last renewal we are both current holders of SGC and FAC certs as i renewed mine in 2023 

i assume it's the other referee that is the problem his is not due until next year my question is how can we be holders of SGC and FAC but reach the threshold of being a referee  for someone else don't make sense to me 

[scarecrow243]

it does happen if the person has been in bother that you don't know about or has had information passed onto the police about them

[Rim Fire]

If the person had been in bother since his last renewal surely they would revoke his certs  🤷‍♀️

[mossy835]

depends how bad it was,

[TIGHTCHOKE]

All the above is fair comment, if it is the other chap, he may struggle when he needs to renew.

 

Ifr it's you, then you may struggle at that point.

 

Either way, it may be a good move for all three of you to expand your selection of referees.

[Rim Fire]

I have just spoken to my mate and the other referee hasn't been in any trouble since his last renewal  

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, Rim Fire said:

I have just spoken to my mate and the other referee hasn't been in any trouble since his last renewal  

In that case it MUST be YOU then...................................

[Rim Fire]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

All the above is fair comment, if it is the other chap, he may struggle when he needs to renew.

 

Ifr it's you, then you may struggle at that point.

 

Either way, it may be a good move for all three of you to expand your selection of referees.

i renewed mine last year so i got no problem as they would have said then 

[mossy835]

some thing going on then,i would find out what is going on.

[Zoli 12 guage]

6 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

i renewed mine last year so i got no problem as they would have said then 

personally i can't see what the issue is, unless it's a mistake on the old bills part.

or,one of you has secretly joined the Rozzers 🤔

[Rim Fire]

4 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

or,one of you has secretly joined the Rozzers 🤔

🤣 No chance of that believe me

[Wymondley]

It doesn't have to be anything your referee has done personally, it may be because of someone they are known to associate with.

 

Realised it's not your referee, comment about association still stands though.

Edited February 29, 2024 by Wymondley
Didn't read thread properly!

[Rim Fire]

1 hour ago, Wymondley said:

It doesn't have to be anything your referee has done personally, it may be because of someone they are known to associate with.

 

Realised it's not your referee, comment about association still stands though.

Yes but why grant him a FAC and SGC if he is known to associate with undesirables which he has held for over 10 yrs  

[TIGHTCHOKE]

43 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Yes but why grant him a FAC and SGC if he is known to associate with undesirables which he has held for over 10 yrs  

Possibly due to new developments or someone tightening the requirements.

[Rim Fire]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Possibly due to new developments or someone tightening the requirements.

That is exactly what i was thinking 

[Old farrier]

Or 

possibly he’s acting as referee for someone who has not kept within the correct conditions of the licence 

being a referee is a thing that shouldn’t be taken lightly 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

8 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Or 

possibly he’s acting as referee for someone who has not kept within the correct conditions of the licence 

being a referee is a thing that shouldn’t be taken lightly 

Another VERY good point.   

[Zoli 12 guage]

2 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Or 

possibly he’s acting as referee for someone who has not kept within the correct conditions of the licence 

 

which would mean the revocation of their FAC/SGC wouldn't it!

and this has not occurred according to the OP.

[Rim Fire]

2 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

which would mean the revocation of their FAC/SGC wouldn't it!

and this has not occurred according to the OP.

Myself i think they should say why the referee haven't met the threshold paticurly as we both hold SGC and FAC also which one of us is offender 

[Old farrier]

20 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

which would mean the revocation of their FAC/SGC wouldn't it!

and this has not occurred according to the OP.

Would it?

there’s no way of knowing how each Flo works or thinks nor how they interpret the regulations 

time will tell on this I’m sure and when the full details are released we should be able to formulate a better opinion 

[clangerman]

he’s prob a victim of two words that should never be used together police intelligence because once gossip or rumour are in written form the plod can’t tell fact from fiction lol 

[HantsRob]

2 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

which would mean the revocation of their FAC/SGC wouldn't it!

and this has not occurred according to the OP.

I'd disagree.

You have 1 thing to be safe and responsible to own shotguns.
There's a lesser threshold about if you're a good judge of character, or do it for too many people, or have a precluded occupation etc

For example, working in McDonalds would probably stop you being a referee, but wouldn't mean you're unsafe to own guns.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, HantsRob said:

For example, working in McDonalds would probably stop you being a referee

How so?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

How so?

You get to meet too many cops while serving.   

[Wymondley]

So, not saying this is the case, but if said referee is both FAC/SGC, the fact that they've been seen to associate with someone who the police may have under suspicion/surveillance for something criminal would not in itself be grounds for immediate revocation of the ref's certificates.   

Though it may be grounds for thinking they might not be a good person to be a referee because of that association and may therefore be a poor judge of character.

They also may be completely oblivious to whatever any of their associates are up.

The police won't tell you anything as either there's nothing proven or there is an ongoing investigation.

All this is just pure guesswork anyway.

Could always be as simple as one of you gets named as a referee by a disproportionate number of people, that in itself may raise suspicions as to why, even if it's perfectly innocent.