12gauge82 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 I really dislike Trump as a person, he's pretty much everything I dislike in a person. Narcissistic, self centred, entitled, big headed, at times dishonest. All that said, I believe this trial is a fit up. The prosecuter was elected on the mandate they would get trump. The case has been bumped up from a misdemeaor to a felony charge, from my understanding the first time it's ever been done in that way. And the trial has taken place in an area where the jury has been selected from probably the most anti Trump state in the USA. I'd like to think if this case had been tried in the UK, it would have been booted out long before it got anywhere near a court of law. In short, while I believe on the odds of probability Trump very likely did what he has been accused of, the whole process has been a corrupt, politically motivated process from start to finish and like the post office convictions here, the damage it will do to the credibility of the legal system will be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: He wasn't charged with fraud, or admitted it. He was charged with falsifying business records, a misdemeanor, which is strange , as he paid tax on it, so not exactly trying to hide it! It was bumped to a low grade felony by the assumption it was to cover up 'other crimes' , crimes that were neither specified, nor needed to be proven ! Imagine being pulled for speeding, so you expect a ticket ? But without evidence, the police prosecute you on the basis that you might be on the way to Rob a bank, or kill someone, or something else unspecified ? You're not going to get convicted right , there's no evidence you intended to do these crimes ? Well apparently they can in NY courts. There could be a myriad of reasons, one of them might be they believed he was guilty of the unspecified crime, the judge instructed them they didn't need to prove beyond reasonable doubt ? The more you look into this rabbit hole , the worse it sounds. This could cause some real friction over the pond. He has been found guilty unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 counts. He fraudulently falsified business records to cover up hush money payments made for personal gain. He is on licence for a further three court cases against him. Only held in abeyance because of his appointees. He claims law enforcement had a contract to kill him at Mar a largo. He has countless compensation payments to make. Anyone who served with him is in jail or refuses to work with him. He is owned by both the Chinese and the Russians. He is a convicted rapist. He is a liar. Despite all of this it's all a plot to unseat him. The bloke is mad. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 I am the same dont like the bloke but never met him he just seems a smarmy barstool but i think that much money could make you like that ?. i couldn't care less who the yanks vote in dont think it will bother me in the slightest But i read somewhere he cut back on a lot of under age sex that's fine in my book even if he did nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, oowee said: He has been found guilty unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 counts. He fraudulently falsified business records to cover up hush money payments made for personal gain. He is on licence for a further three court cases against him. Only held in abeyance because of his appointees. He claims law enforcement had a contract to kill him at Mar a largo. He has countless compensation payments to make. Anyone who served with him is in jail or refuses to work with him. He is owned by both the Chinese and the Russians. He is a convicted rapist. He is a liar. Despite all of this it's all a plot to unseat him. The bloke is mad. 🤣 i do hope that donald is reading this and sees the bit about him being a "convicted rapist" as if he was he would have been and more probably would still be in prison,which he hasn't and isn't. he maybe a liar,name me a politician that's not! never mind though,cos he's got a pay out to come when that *** slut that testified and therefore broke the "non disclosure agreement" that she'd signed and therefore broke the terms of her payout will be making films till she's 290😁😁😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, holloway said: The jury found him guilty of the crime he was being tried for which was fraud He wasn't tried for fraud, THAT is a felony, carrying a prison sentence. 1 hour ago, holloway said: (falsifying his business records Is a misdemeanor, which carries a fine. 2 hours ago, JDog said: Rewulf, you have certainly got your canines into this one. One has to have the courage of ones err, convictions 😂 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: I really dislike Trump as a person, he's pretty much everything I dislike in a person. Narcissistic, self centred, entitled, big headed, at times dishonest. All that said, I believe this trial is a fit up. The prosecuter was elected on the mandate they would get trump Absolutely. 20 minutes ago, oowee said: He fraudulently falsified business records to cover up hush money payments made for personal gain Hush money payments aren't illegal , ask bill Clinton, and personal gain ? No proof offered , no charge offered, no crime specified , but convicted of 'something' they 'think' he might of done. 24 minutes ago, oowee said: He is owned by both the Chinese and the Russians. He is a convicted rapist. He is a liar It clearly states in the court documents that he has no previous convictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, holloway said: The jury found him guilty of the crime he was being tried for which was fraud. (falsifying his business records ) , unanimously.. cant really see past that one myself but maybe its to simplistic and i missed something. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanour in New York, not a felony, and the statute of limitations is just two years. They were only able to bring this issue up in 2024 by attempting to link it to an alleged but undefined crime. i.e. One of the 34 counts: "The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization." So Trump, or more likely his accounts department, received an invoice in the mail and recorded it in their books per standard procedure and that's a felony? Explain that Trumpster, you felon! The other indictments are just pages and pages of the same inane nonsense. And if they go after Trump for a nothingburger, why is no-one talking about the Biden family corruption "ten percent for the big guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 I wonder what will happen over his incitement of a riot that caused a death when a mob stormed the White house ,he openly encouraged this to happen . Ok lads ……off you go defend that one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 56 minutes ago, serrac said: Falsifying business records is a misdemeanour in New York, not a felony, and the statute of limitations is just two years. They were only able to bring this issue up in 2024 by attempting to link it to an alleged but undefined crime. i.e. One of the 34 counts: "The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization." So Trump, or more likely his accounts department, received an invoice in the mail and recorded it in their books per standard procedure and that's a felony? Explain that Trumpster, you felon! The other indictments are just pages and pages of the same inane nonsense. And if they go after Trump for a nothingburger, why is no-one talking about the Biden family corruption "ten percent for the big guy". Because there is no case to answer for Biden. 7 minutes ago, holloway said: I wonder what will happen over his incitement of a riot that caused a death when a mob stormed the White house ,he openly encouraged this to happen . Ok lads ……off you go defend that one . It's pending decisions on what is allowable under presidential immunity. The supreme Court has a majority of Trump cronies that are holding up the process. Same with the mar a largo case of hiding the nuclear codes. If he makes president it all goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 27 minutes ago, oowee said: Because there is no case to answer for Biden. It's pending decisions on what is allowable under presidential immunity. The supreme Court has a majority of Trump cronies that are holding up the process. Same with the mar a largo case of hiding the nuclear codes. If he makes president it all goes away. now that really is corrupt.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 37 minutes ago, oowee said: Because there is no case to answer for Biden. Oh please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 46 minutes ago, holloway said: I wonder what will happen over his incitement of a riot that caused a death when a mob stormed the White house ,he openly encouraged this to happen . Ok lads ……off you go defend that one Remember when race baiter senator maxine walters incited rioters to 'stay on the streets' and to 'get more confrontational ' ? Remember her trial and prison sentence? That's right , nothing happened to her at all. Trump told the protesters to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 12 hours ago, holloway said: Not disagreeing but given all of those facts why did a 12 member jury unanimously find him guilty ? Bias, pressure, fear, loathing, jealousy or logic ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 12 hours ago, holloway said: Not disagreeing but given all of those facts why did a 12 member jury unanimously find him guilty ? Curious that, isn't it, fancy how after all the time spent choosing the jury, they ALL found him guilty, VERY strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 8 hours ago, serrac said: Oh please!!! If there was a case the Republicans would pursue it. If its not pursued its because they have nothing. Put up or shut up. Even the Russian mole has been outed. 44 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Curious that, isn't it, fancy how after all the time spent choosing the jury, they ALL found him guilty, VERY strange. A jury also chosen by Trump's team. Looks like he was guilty unless of course the earth is flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 8 hours ago, Rewulf said: Remember when race baiter senator maxine walters incited rioters to 'stay on the streets' and to 'get more confrontational ' ? Remember her trial and prison sentence? That's right , nothing happened to her at all. Trump told the protesters to go home. No i don't remember any of that ,but his behaviour after his election defeat is very clear in my mind …..or was it all justified and the election was rigged just as he said it was ,who knows ? if true then Donald Trump is a true martyr worthy of the whole countries support . 46 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Curious that, isn't it, fancy how after all the time spent choosing the jury, they ALL found him guilty, VERY strange. Or they had there own brains and thought he was guilty ,a novel concept its true . 1 hour ago, spanj said: Bias, pressure, fear, loathing, jealousy or logic ….. Yes i think logic its true . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, oowee said: If there was a case the Republicans would pursue it. If its not pursued its because they have nothing. Put up or shut up. The DOJ, IRS, FBI etc are all in the hands of Biden's White House, let's see what get's pursued if Trump wins in November. Now, let's imagine for a moment that instead of Hunter Biden, it was Don Trump Junior who sent this message to Henry Zhao, the CEO of Beijing-based asset management firm Harvest Fund Management: "I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight, And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction," Then let's imagine that a few days later CEFC Infrastructure Investment wired $5.1M to a company controlled by Don Trump Junior. Then let's imagine, a few days later Don Trump Junior wired $1.4M to a consulting firm owned by his uncle, Donald Trump's brother. Are you really going to try to tell us the DOJ and Fanni Willis, Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith et-al would just smile and say "move along folks, nothing to see here"? ~~~ IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley Jr., who oversaw the agency's probe into Hunter Biden: "Whatever the motivations, at every stage decisions were made that had the effect of benefiting the subject of the investigation," Shapley said. "These decisions included slow-walking investigative steps, not allowing enforcement actions to be executed, limiting investigators’ line of questioning for witnesses, misleading investigators on charging authority, delaying any and all actions months before elections to ensure the investigation did not go overt well before policy memorandum mandated the pause. These are just only a few examples," ~~~ PS: Who's the Russian mole you were referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, serrac said: The DOJ, IRS, FBI etc are all in the hands of Biden's White House, let's see what get's pursued if Trump wins in November. Now, let's imagine for a moment that instead of Hunter Biden, it was Don Trump Junior who sent this message to Henry Zhao, the CEO of Beijing-based asset management firm Harvest Fund Management: "I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight, And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction," Then let's imagine that a few days later CEFC Infrastructure Investment wired $5.1M to a company controlled by Don Trump Junior. Then let's imagine, a few days later Don Trump Junior wired $1.4M to a consulting firm owned by his uncle, Donald Trump's brother. Are you really going to try to tell us the DOJ and Fanni Willis, Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith et-al would just smile and say "move along folks, nothing to see here"? ~~~ IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley Jr., who oversaw the agency's probe into Hunter Biden: "Whatever the motivations, at every stage decisions were made that had the effect of benefiting the subject of the investigation," Shapley said. "These decisions included slow-walking investigative steps, not allowing enforcement actions to be executed, limiting investigators’ line of questioning for witnesses, misleading investigators on charging authority, delaying any and all actions months before elections to ensure the investigation did not go overt well before policy memorandum mandated the pause. These are just only a few examples," ~~~ PS: Who's the Russian mole you were referring to? Alexander Smirnov was the informant for the Republicans on Hunter Biden paid for by the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, oowee said: Alexander Smirnov was the informant for the Republicans on Hunter Biden paid for by the Russians. Smirnov isn't Russian , he's israeli/American, and no proof he worked for the republicans, he was paid by the FBI for his Ukrainian intelligence, but since he dropped the Biden story is now on charges of 'lying' and awaiting trial in jail. I would be most surprised if he isn't dead soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: Smirnov isn't Russian , he's israeli/American, and no proof he worked for the republicans, he was paid by the FBI for his Ukrainian intelligence, but since he dropped the Biden story is now on charges of 'lying' and awaiting trial in jail. I would be most surprised if he isn't dead soon. A Russian mole non the less and the star witness for the Republicans in their non existent case. More evidence of MAGA distortion of reality that plays right into the hands of those that want to exploit the weakness in the US that is Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 53 minutes ago, oowee said: Russian mole non the less and the star witness for the Republicans in their non existent case 😂 Why hasn't he been charged with espionage offences then ? If he works for Russia, why has the FBI been paying him millions of dollars these last 10 years? The Bidens are trying to nobble a witness to their corrupt activities, but he's not the only witness, the laptop, bank receipts for millions they can't explain. Sleepy Joe has spent 50 years in politics , he knows every dirty trick there is,, but he's struggling here, what will the American people think when Smirnoff epsteins himself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, oowee said: Alexander Smirnov was the informant for the Republicans on Hunter Biden paid for by the Russians. Ah so that's about the Ukrainian corruption then, not the corruption involving the Chinese asset management company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 50 minutes ago, serrac said: Ah so that's about the Ukrainian corruption then, not the corruption involving the Chinese asset management company. If there was some bring it on. Ooops forgot 'Nothing to see here". Talking of Chinese management we do know ByteDance owns a big chunk of Trump through DJT media. Already coming into play with Trump's reversal on Tiktok sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 1. The mortgage fraud charge was a joke. Decade old, no complaint from any bank and all moneys repaid. Falsifying accounts to pay hush money - sounds grand but it’s a BS misdemeanour jumped up to a felony. Lawyers pay people to ‘shut up and go away’ every day. The payment came out of a big bucket and went in the wrong column of a spreadsheet (a) personal (b) business (c) campaign. Anything but C and it’s legit. Anyone think Trump get his biro out and does his own mortgage application and tax returns? 2. massive error on the part of the democrats. First, middle America can see what’s going on and the middle voters in particular. Committed democrats will never vote trump; it’s the ones in the middle that count. Second, they have opened the door wide open for what happens to ex presidents. Think of the charges that could have been brought against Clinton, Bush, Biden and Obama if the federal state went through every corner of their lives going back over a decade. Those that think Trump Is a criminal and is just getting prosecuted like a criminal - well when he gets in, you wouldn’t want the surname ‘Biden’. What will happen to clan Biden will make this look mild. And the democrats did it to themselves like the sanctimonious thickos they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 Politically weaponising the legal system, whether in the USA, or over here as happened with the attempts to block brexit is idiotic at best. There's very good reasons politics and law are meant to be kept separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 On 01/06/2024 at 21:39, serrac said: And if they go after Trump for a nothingburger, why is no-one talking about the Biden family corruption "ten percent for the big guy". Oh, that WILL come, once November is out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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