old'un Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 21 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: It seems like when something bad happens, there’s a minority of people whose thought process is something along the lines of: 1. Is the prep an illegal immigrant? If yes, I knew it! If no, go to 2. 2. Is the perp Muslim? If yes, I knew it! If no, go to 3. 3. Is the perp non-white? If yes, I knew it! If no, go to 4. And so on… Worse still some appear to conclude that the answer to the first three questions is yes before they even have a remote grasp of the facts. Terrorist attack? You believe the perp intended a bigger impact from his events than purely murdering and injuring innocent children and adults? Like there’s a bigger end goal? Have we always thought like that? And if not what might have caused people to think this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 14 minutes ago, yickdaz said: There isn't many on your side on this topic bud so if you think you have the high ground you are wrong Happy to continue the discussion when you or Lucky come back with a single example of someone born here who isn’t British (excluding someone who later sought a different nationality) never mind the colour of their skin or criminal record. No problem for me having a minority view here, it’s well documented, doesn’t make my view wrong by default though. There’s more on my side here than are prepared to speak up though, of that I can assure you. 8 minutes ago, old'un said: Have we always thought like that? And if not what might have caused people to think this way? Good point. In general I think we all apply that kind of thinking but for some it seems to be amplified and without any kind of filter. In part driven by the media, usual antagonists. There’s a difference between quietly assuming and shouting premature conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Happy to continue the discussion when you or Lucky come back with a single example of someone born here who isn’t British (excluding someone who later sought a different nationality) never mind the colour of their skin or criminal record. No problem for me having a minority view here, it’s well documented, doesn’t make my view wrong by default though. There’s more on my side here than are prepared to speak up though, of that I can assure you. Good point. In general I think we all apply that kind of thinking but for some it seems to be amplified and without any kind of filter. In part driven by the media, usual antagonists. There’s a difference between quietly assuming and shouting premature conclusions. Or you mean they don't want to speak up in fear of being called racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 16 hours ago, yickdaz said: If he had been named the same day it happened it wouldn't of stopped the anger and riots because people were already coming to conclusions that it was a terror attack and that there was a good chance he wasn't white British It was misinformation that caused the riots; the underlying anger has been there for years now and will grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 13 minutes ago, yickdaz said: Or you mean they don't want to speak up in fear of being called racist I meant the opposite of that. It’s generally accepted we’re all at least a bit racist. Do you have an example to progress the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 14 hours ago, Rewulf said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13698747/Keir-Starmer-announces-new-national-capability-police-forces-wake-Southport-rioting-PM-blasts-mindless-thugs-brought-chaos-Britains-streets.html There you go, protests banned, but only if they are 'far right' Labour are certainly going for it, what next, curfew, martial law ? Awesome stuff 😆 I wonder if that'll be implemented for the Islamists shouting from the river to the sea? I doubt it very much. Thanks, Two Tier Kier!! I see that there is another planned gathering by the Newham gansta's at Southend this Saturday. I was was wrong when I said it was likely that local scum had the machete battle on the sea front. It appears that it was 'yoof' from Newham, bruv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 16 hours ago, amateur said: So teeing him up nicely for a "mental health" plea and a stay in hospital. 👍 14 hours ago, yickdaz said: the nerve of the man is astounding crack down on protests but no mention of the cause, and why there is protests i give up no hope for this country with him in charge But it will be only one side that gets the Two Tier Kier treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I meant the opposite of that. It’s generally accepted we’re all at least a bit racist. Do you have an example to progress the discussion? An example of what ? Why do I have point something out that is there for all to see Edited August 2 by yickdaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 14 hours ago, oowee said: Wow where has this thread gone. Listen to it 😒. I know, the truth can be hard to bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 22 minutes ago, yickdaz said: Or you mean they don't want to speak up in fear of being called racist Exactly, your not allowed to say it, otherwise the usual suspects try and say your racist, but pretty much any time there's a stabbing on the news its non whites or immigrants. We had a similar situation in work, lots of accidents getting recorded, but it's a no blame culture, so instead of looking at the main group getting injuries which is welders and the 18-23 age group the SHE department tries to bombard everyone with H&S rubbish which achieve nothing. That's what was said after the recent Wigan stabbing, you'll see he has a good Wigan name, personally I don't expect anyone to be a certain religion its impossible to guess, but I know what I expect when there's a stabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 9 hours ago, B686 said: Muslim It's highly unlikely that he is. 9 hours ago, Dave-G said: Starmer is after the far right for kicking up a fuss... BLM kicks off and they get the knee and comments about blacks become taboo - so blacks get better rights. Asian riots and protests get more tolerance allowance - I'm not saying that to good effect I know but grooming gangs got special rights. Other peoples get to wave their flags in our cities but if whites do that they are racist and labelled far right. I can't help but feel we are marginalised because we don't kick off enough. All part of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 I appear to be more concerned with mass immigration and illegal immigration than some. I despair of those who say immigrants are smashing people who add something to our society, whilst ignoring the prison population and grooming gangs. However, though I disagree with a lot that oowee says, he has nailed it in this one:- Quote I read this thread and am saddened by the rhetoric and racist tropes that are trotted out. Worse still posters don't realise that they are doing it. Racism is not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I appear to be more concerned with mass immigration and illegal immigration than some. I despair of those who say immigrants are smashing people who add something to our society, whilst ignoring the prison population and grooming gangs. However, though I disagree with a lot that oowee says, he has nailed it in this one:- Gordon, you are not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 34 minutes ago, Penelope said: I wonder if that'll be implemented for the Islamists shouting from the river to the sea? I doubt it very much. Thanks, Two Tier Kier!! I see that there is another planned gathering by the Newham gansta's at Southend this Saturday. I was was wrong when I said it was likely that local scum had the machete battle on the sea front. It appears that it was 'yoof' from Newham, bruv. Correct blud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, yickdaz said: Correct blud From some of the video footage I have seen, there were firearms present amongst the very large crowd from east London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Good point. In general I think we all apply that kind of thinking but for some it seems to be amplified and without any kind of filter. In part driven by the media, usual antagonists. There’s a difference between quietly assuming and shouting premature conclusions. No social media when I was a young lad, just first-hand experiences of growing up In Handsworth Birmingham. Did what I witnessed during my youth in Handsworth shape my thoughts today...yes to a degree, has it made me a bit racist...yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 More 2 tier policing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 11 minutes ago, old'un said: No social media when I was a young lad, just first-hand experiences of growing up In Handsworth Birmingham. Did what I witnessed during my youth in Handsworth shape my thoughts today...yes to a degree, has it made me a bit racist...yes. All perfectly natural. We are all shaped by experience 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) You always hear about whites being racist but it’s as if racism against whites never gets a mention but it it’s out there’ask my mum ! I used to live in Great Baddow a few years ago couple of people on here may know where I’m talking about. my mum was over for Sunday dinner with me and my mrs long story short here. We needed some carrots my mum said she would go get some it’s a short walk to the shops where there’s a cut through along side the church that’s there on the way . Walking back by the church after getting said carrots . There was 3 young lads between 10 and 13 years old 2 black one Asian climbing about and messing about on the grave stones. All my mum said to them was “ hello lads I don’t think you should really be doing that “ nothing else . With that they came running over shouting “**** off you white cracker whore “and picking up handfuls of the cut grass and throwing it at her and spitting and shouting “white cracker whore “ as she walked along luckily there’s a hedge between the path and church as chances are they possibly my have escalated things. My mum was 67 at the time and about 5ft tall. She came back in bits shaking crying white as a sheet . With those little ****ers spit on her. Police were called who turned up about 4 hrs later. **** all was done about it. Sorry I may be wrong but had the lads been white and my mum black and the N word had been used Things may have been different. All I’m saying. Edited August 2 by B686 At work and don’t have reading glasses with me🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, oowee said: Racism is not for me. Not for me either. Unfortunately, there are some parents in Southport who might just feel there is a racial element to why their children were maimed and murdered, if in their grief they express this concern, they are themselves branded far right racists, whilst being prepared for the inevitable 'mental illness' excuse for why this has happened. The question has been asked, multiple times, and ignored, we have had a large number of mass killings using knives over the past decade, what percentage were carried out by which demographic ? If the question is considered a racist one, what possible chance do we have to address it ? Do we just have to accept it, and wait for the next one. Is this the new normal, where we are more scared of offending a minority, than the actual crime ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Penelope said: It was misinformation that caused the riots; the underlying anger has been there for years now and will grow. Can certainly agree that history will provide unpalatable answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 Starmer openly declares a two tier Policing system in front of the whole country against white people yesterday and anyone objecting is a Right Wing Racist according to some on here, unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 5 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: You believe the perp intended a bigger impact from his events than purely murdering and injuring innocent children and adults? Like there’s a bigger end goal? Why do you believe he had no motive to carry out these dreadful murders other than he just wanted to kill. What are you basing this conclusion on. You decry others as single minded bigots yet you exhibit the same single minded denials without any evidence to the contrary. As far as I know we don’t have a reason yet for this dreadful act. Edited August 2 by Rem260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 9 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Why do believe he had no motive to carry out these dreadful murders other than he just wanted to kill. What are you basing this conclusion on. You decry others as single minded bigots yet you exhibit the same single minded denials without any evidence to the contrary. As far as I know we don’t have a reason yet for this dreadful act. I’m not suggesting he had no motive, I’m just not speculating or prematurely concluded he did or what his motive might have been. I’m not denying anything either, but you are of course free to interpret what I write as you see fit. Show me where I’ve denied or concluded and I’ll issue an unreserved apology. And you’ve just said yourself we don’t have a motive for this dreadful act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I’m not suggesting he had no motive, I’m just not speculating or prematurely concluded he did or what his motive might have been. I’m not denying anything either, but you are of course free to interpret what I write as you see fit. Show me where I’ve denied or concluded and I’ll issue an unreserved apology. And you’ve just said yourself we don’t have a motive for this dreadful act. The fact is, any motive is pure speculation at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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