oowee Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 A three part documentary on Zelensky. Well worth a watch if you are interested in the conflict. Powerful stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 Cheers oowee, I'll take a look at that when I get a spare hour or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Hello, I watched this, Comedian to the Ukraine President, 🤔, saying this we do have a lot of Jokers in Parliament , I wonder what he thought of Putins latest threat ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I watched this, Comedian to the Ukraine President, 🤔, saying this we do have a lot of Jokers in Parliament , I wonder what he thought of Putins latest threat Is that following Zelensky's desire to lob long range missiles into Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 14 minutes ago, Penelope said: Is that following Zelensky's desire to lob long range missiles into Russia? Hello, one must presume so but it would be who ever provides the Missiles that Putin seems to threaten as well 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 11 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, one must presume so but it would be who ever provides the Missiles that Putin seems to threaten as well 🤔 Can you blame him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 3 minutes ago, Penelope said: Can you blame him? Hello, no !! not for a mad leader of Russia, I put him the same as Hitler !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, no !! not for a mad leader of Russia, I put him the same as Hitler !!! This about sums him up. His view of world history is deranged. I bet he wishes he had not started this war. Russian machismo does not leave an easy way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 (edited) If you are watching the NAZI Zekensky and supporting him, you truly are a lost cause..... On the missles, unlike bullets which can be handed to Ukraine and loaded aimed and fired by Ukrainians,... these long range missiles are handed to Ukraine but programmed, aimed and loaded by British military personnel as the software and programming is all encrypted and relies on UK and USA satalites for gps and communications and unaccessible to the Ukrainians whose only job is to press the weapon release trigger on the aircraft. Putin is quite right to differentiate as these missiles require the direct intervention of the supplying various NATO powers until the missle strikes it's target. Edited September 13 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 (edited) I can see Stonepark typing out a long one 😆 I’ll watch the zelensky documentary. The Klitchko one was good; I didn’t fully appreciate how badly the two got on. Lobbing UK built missiles into Russia is an unnecessary and dangerous escalation. It’s an interesting question about who is party to this conflict - NATO train the Ukranians, cloth them, supply them (arms, ammunition, tanks, vehicles etc) and from where I’m sitting NATO are already 90% over that line - the last step being boots on the ground, something not entirely necessary now with modern remote warfare. It makes me uncomfortable and rarely my gut reaction is wrong. Edit: Some cross over there and partial agreement with Stonepark. Blimey, things have taken a strange turn 😆 Edited September 13 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 coming to a street near YOU ww3 curtesy of cowards who load missiles for someone else to fire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, Mungler said: I can see Stonepark typing out a long one 😆 I’ll watch the zelensky documentary. The Klitchko one was good; I didn’t fully appreciate how badly the two got on. Lobbing UK built missiles into Russia is an unnecessary and dangerous escalation. It’s an interesting question about who is party to this conflict - NATO train the Ukranians, cloth them, supply them (arms, ammunition, tanks, vehicles etc) and from where I’m sitting NATO are already 90% over that line - the last step being boots on the ground, something not entirely necessary now with modern remote warfare. It makes me uncomfortable and rarely my gut reaction is wrong. Edit: Some cross over there and partial agreement with Stonepark. Blimey, things have taken a strange turn 😆 I could type out a long one but trying not to......😀 What I will note is Ukraine is clearly losing the war, even CNN are now admitting it. the only thing keeping Zekensky in power is the war, the second it ends, he has to hold presidential elections, and he will be gone. Ukraine to avoid complete military defeat, requires Zelensky to repeal the "no negotiation with Russia" laws he implemented and which he is refusing to rescind as it would end the war and hence his presidency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 24 minutes ago, clangerman said: coming to a street near YOU ww3 curtesy of cowards who load missiles for someone else to fire! Would it make any difference who makes, who loads, and who fires? Would we avoid conflict by ignoring conflict? Are we better letting others fight our wars? It's a series of not easy choices that world leaders have to make. 1 minute ago, Stonepark said: I could type out a long one but trying not to......😀 What I will note is Ukraine is clearly losing the war, even CNN are now admitting it. the only thing keeping Zekensky in power is the war, the second it ends, he has to hold presidential elections, and he will be gone. Ukraine to avoid complete military defeat, requires Zelensky to repeal the "no negotiation with Russia" laws he implemented and which he is refusing to rescind as it would end the war and hence his presidency And Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 25 minutes ago, oowee said: Are we better letting others fight our wars? So you are agreeing it's a proxy war now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Certainly seems to be the case of a politico or nut job urinating over your chips?🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 37 minutes ago, oowee said: Would it make any difference who makes, who loads, and who fires? Would we avoid conflict by ignoring conflict? Are we better letting others fight our wars? our war? and not ONE Russian boot or bullet has fallen on our soil how’s that work then apart from the gullible swallowing propaganda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 (edited) My view is no they shouldn’t let them use them to attack Moscow or wherever. Why risk the chance of possibly starting a full on war that could end up with nuclear weapons being used we will all be ******. But that probably wouldn’t bother the politicians as most will be tucked away in their bunkers with their families safe and sound while we all either fry or die slowly other ways. Why risk total destruction for another country’s war? Edited September 13 by B686 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, clangerman said: our war? and not ONE Russian boot or bullet has fallen on our soil how’s that work then apart from the gullible swallowing propaganda! ? The Russians have killed in the UK. Set fire to buildings. We agreed to defend Ukraine when they gave up nukes. We should take the gloves off. It's war even if we don't want to admit it. There can be no happy ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Are you volunteering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 15 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Are you volunteering? We are all already volunteered just by living here. This is close to the end game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Blimey Oowee ! I would'nt want to even consider you are right in your thinking. It appears to be a bad case of martyrdom where no-one wins and all lose, even though we only provide training and technological advice toUkraine we are not their partners in war. We have enough issues to deal with in The United Kingdom without adding to that load. Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 23 minutes ago, Pushkin said: Blimey Oowee ! I would'nt want to even consider you are right in your thinking. It appears to be a bad case of martyrdom where no-one wins and all lose, even though we only provide training and technological advice toUkraine we are not their partners in war. We have enough issues to deal with in The United Kingdom without adding to that load. Pushkin Putin is pretty much out of kit. He is using equipment from the 50's (t55 and the like). They just presented a series of supposedly newly arrived gen 5 fighter jets (stealth) that are laughable (rivets and screws on display, no heat proof cowlings etc). Even the engines for his shahed drones are coming from china along with golf carts being used for troop assaults. He clearly does not have enough resources to push through Ukraine (otherwise he would have done so). Ukraine is improving technology everyday but also does not have enough kit and men to finish the job but has continued support. What happens next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 3 hours ago, oowee said: ? The Russians have killed in the UK. Set fire to buildings. We agreed to defend Ukraine when they gave up nukes. We should take the gloves off. It's war even if we don't want to admit it. There can be no happy ending. what are you waiting for Zelensky will give you a free rifle and lift to the front line to defend ukraine in fact I will pay your air fare now dodge that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 4 hours ago, oowee said: We are all already volunteered just by living here. This is close to the end game. Just make sure all of the politicians are in the front row! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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