vw job losses

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

Pressure quite different.  Propane (which I used to use in a car), around 100 - 200 psi dependant on temperature.

Hydrogen (gaseous) 5000 - 10,000 psi. 

liquid hydrogen is a lower pressure, but requires lowered temperature.

Fairs do's , that is a very high pressure !

[JohnfromUK]

20 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Fairs do's , that is a very high pressure !

yes, oxygen (as in welding cylinders) is around 2000 psi, and I'm sure you know how heavy they are.

CO2 is around 850 - 900 psi.

[Mungler]

On 21/09/2024 at 22:50, Mungler said:

There’s an ill wind blowing and it’s coming this way. 

The usual suspects will be along to blame Brexit of course, not the daft green eco net zero disease that’s forced a German car industry to abandon 100 years R&D in combustion technology and to start again 10 years behind cheaper and EV tech advanced Chinese competition.

Ford Europe will be next - as an observation they haven’t made a car I’d consider buying for well over a decade now and the Mustang EV is an over priced abomination they will struggle to give away. 
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And……we’re off.

And who knew the German car industry would face collapse when rejigged to EV and facing cheap Chinese competition. Another lesson in the bleedin obvious brought to you by politicians, green lunatics and the enlightened left.

 

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[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, What about the Sunderland Nissan Plant, There are over 5000 there ? Will that be affected ??

[oowee]

There is much about German labour law that is totally inflexible. The emergence of 'new manufacturing leaders, with new ev product is as much part of the problem for traditional manufacturers as price dumping.

[Luckyshot]

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, What about the Sunderland Nissan Plant, There are over 5000 there ? Will that be affected ??

Nissan are set to cut 9,000 jobs globally due to large profit losses. Not sure how the Sunderland plant will be affected.

[oowee]

57 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

Nissan are set to cut 9,000 jobs globally due to large profit losses. Not sure how the Sunderland plant will be affected.

The announcement will cause uncertainty for the company’s 130,000-strong workforce. However, it is thought the UK factory in Sunderland is unlikely to be affected. (Guardian source).

You would think with all the doom and gloom in the industry there would be some bargains but cars seem to be more expensive than ever.

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

There is much about German labour law that is totally inflexible. The emergence of 'new manufacturing leaders, with new ev product is as much part of the problem for traditional manufacturers as price dumping.

Ridiculous socialist Labour laws and ridiculous socialist / green agendas have done for the German car industry. And it’s all fallen apart so quickly. 

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Ridiculous socialist Labour laws and ridiculous socialist / green agendas have done for the German car industry. And it’s all fallen apart so quickly. 

🤣 New companies have developed new product faster. Old industry struggles to keep up. Add in German labour laws and you have a recipe for failure. It's classic. Look how long it took VW to come out with product that is at best lagging. 

[Mungler]

4 minutes ago, oowee said:

🤣 New companies have developed new product faster. Old industry struggles to keep up. Add in German labour laws and you have a recipe for failure. It's classic. Look how long it took VW to come out with product that is at best lagging. 

Absolute rubbish. You really don’t understand economics and supply and demand.

Ask the market place what it wants (look at petrol and diesel car sales). Don’t enforce a whacky and contested green ideology on a car industry to produce EV cars consumers would rather not buy. The economically literate will understand that that is how you get to where the German car industry is now.
 

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[welsh1]

8 minutes ago, oowee said:

🤣 New companies have developed new product faster. Old industry struggles to keep up. Add in German labour laws and you have a recipe for failure. It's classic. Look how long it took VW to come out with product that is at best lagging. 

Governments continuously hit vehicle drivers, higher fuel prices, bigger "road"taxes,reducing road space by implementing buss lanes and cycle lanes which just makes the remaining space more congested and journeys longer, speed limit reductions, green agendas with electric vehicles out of the price of most,congestion charges, lez zones, roads closed off diverting more traffic onto roads that are already full.

Car indusrtries sell less because governments are forcing more and more motorists off the road, labour are very clear that they want car ownership to be massivly reduced, and the cost of that is thousands of jobs in the motor industry.

[oowee]

14 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Absolute rubbish. You really don’t understand economics and supply and demand.

Ask the market place what it wants (look at petrol and diesel car sales). Don’t enforce a whacky and contested green ideology on a car industry to produce EV cars consumers would rather not buy. The economically literate will understand that that is how you get to where the German car industry is now.
 

 

Carmakers made their ICE phase-out pledges prior to the final decision by the European Union and UK to enforce 2035 as the deadline to make the shift. This gave manufacturers more spare time compared to the initial proposal (2030).

This may help

https://think.ing.com/articles/european-car-makers-struggle-volvo-ev-electric-vehicles-demand/

 

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Governments continuously hit vehicle drivers, higher fuel prices, bigger "road"taxes,reducing road space by implementing buss lanes and cycle lanes which just makes the remaining space more congested and journeys longer, speed limit reductions, green agendas with electric vehicles out of the price of most,congestion charges, lez zones, roads closed off diverting more traffic onto roads that are already full.

Car indusrtries sell less because governments are forcing more and more motorists off the road, labour are very clear that they want car ownership to be massivly reduced, and the cost of that is thousands of jobs in the motor industry.

Agreed. It will costs jobs in ICE vehicles but create opportunities elsewhere.

Fossil fuels are finite and will run out at some point. Why should car drivers have priority of movement at the expense of everyone else?

[Mungler]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

 

Carmakers made their ICE phase-out pledges prior to the final decision by the European Union and UK to enforce 2035 as the deadline to make the shift. This gave manufacturers more spare time compared to the initial proposal (2030).

This may help

https://think.ing.com/articles/european-car-makers-struggle-volvo-ev-electric-vehicles-demand/

 

You have just quoted a green piece of regulation which has forced the European car industry out of ICE and in circumstances when there is no consumer demand for EVs.

Remove the green legislation and consumers would still happily and prefer to buy ICE, where Europe has 100 years of R&D and IPR and market place.

You introduce car maker pledges as if they had a choice or volunteered this route, they didn’t. Some nutty green net zero was forced on them and here we are.

You can’t be that obtuse, surely?

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

Agreed. It will costs jobs in ICE vehicles but create opportunities elsewhere.

Fossil fuels are finite and will run out at some point. Why should car drivers have priority of movement at the expense of everyone else?

Wrong again.

Where are the opportunities in a market place you’re 10 years behind in and where you can’t compete with cheaper advanced Chinese imports. That’s how you send an industry skint, by legislating the demise.

Fossil fuels will run out at some point? When, precisely? Yes it’s a lot father away than your post would suggest.

I bet they will last long enough for a better plan and Segway into a properly thought out plan B, perhaps hydrogen or A N Other where the Chinese aren’t holding the cards and have been already for a decade.

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[oowee]

11 minutes ago, Mungler said:

You have just quoted a green piece of regulation which has forced the European car industry out of ICE and in circumstances when there is no consumer demand for EVs.

Remove the green legislation and consumers would still happily and prefer to buy ICE, where Europe has 100 years of R&D and IPR and market place.

You introduce car maker pledges as if they had a choice or volunteered this route, they didn’t. Some nutty green net zero was forced on them and here we are.

You can’t be that obtuse, surely?

Wrong again.

Where are the opportunities in a market place you’re 10 years behind in and where you can’t compete with cheaper advanced Chinese imports. That’s how you send an industry skint, by legislating the demise.

Fossil fuels will run out at some point? When, precisely? Yes it’s a lot father away than your post would suggest.

I bet they will last long enough for a better plan and Segway into a properly thought out plan B, perhaps hydrogen or A N Other where the Chinese aren’t holding the cards and have been already for a decade.

Change and adapting to new ways of working is often difficult. It was the same when cars were first introduced. Change does not have to be linear it can be adapted.

Sunak pushed out the expiration date for ICE Starmer may bring it back. 

[Mungler]

Just now, oowee said:

Change and adapting to new ways of working is often difficult. It was the same when cars were first introduced. Change does not have to be linear it can be adapted.

Sunak pushed out the expiration date for ICE Starmer may bring it back. 

Forced change by legislation with no underlying economic model ie demand is a recipe for disaster, which is where the German car industry is. The data and current position evidences this - it’s not unions that are going to pull over the German car industry, it’s being forced to stop selling a product that sold well, and being forced to sell a product no one wants and the Chinese make better and cheaper and have done so for a decade.

All too late for the German car industry, one of the pillars propping up European economic union. And they did it to themselves with their nutty love of the greens. Ditto for their energy and rejection of nuclear.

 

[armsid]

And now the coalition gov. is in trouble

[Mungler]

6 minutes ago, armsid said:

And now the coalition gov. is in trouble

It will collapse. 
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Edited November 8 by Mungler

[armsid]

The collapse of the EU from this?

[Luckyshot]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

The announcement will cause uncertainty for the company’s 130,000-strong workforce. However, it is thought the UK factory in Sunderland is unlikely to be affected. (Guardian source).

You would think with all the doom and gloom in the industry there would be some bargains but cars seem to be more expensive than ever.

I work for one of the many suppliers to Nissan Sunderland, we have made redundant nearly 1/3rd of our workforce in the last 6 months.

[Mungler]

14 minutes ago, armsid said:

The collapse of the EU from this?

It’s on the cards and one of the first dominos.

Trump pulling stumps on NATO funding and making Russia a ‘Europe’ problem and not a ‘US’ problem will be another domino to fall. If the economic power house that is Germany is no longer an economic powerhouse….

It’s all going to come apart at the seems as it’s always been destined to.

But of course it will be Brexit 😆

10 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

I work for one of the many suppliers to Nissan Sunderland, we have made redundant nearly 1/3rd of our workforce in the last 6 months.

What are your thoughts on the rushed and enforced green agenda on the car industry? Anyone seeing lots of new opportunities from EV or green related stuff, as Oowee says there will be (but on what basis / evidence I don’t know).

The less economically literate think that a green industry will spring up from the legislatively enforced nonsense to hand and be created - it won’t because it’s not built on economic principles but green legislation forced on people who don’t want it. Like heat pumps. Come up with some expensive but green / environmentally friendly product, service or tech - you can only hope to flog that nonsense to some other ideally captivated country / economy meaning no one outside of enlightened Europe. 
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Edited November 8 by Mungler

[oowee]

Tariffs next.

[Luckyshot]

54 minutes ago, Mungler said:

It’s on the cards and one of the first dominos.

Trump pulling stumps on NATO funding and making Russia a ‘Europe’ problem and not a ‘US’ problem will be another domino to fall. If the economic power house that is Germany is no longer an economic powerhouse….

It’s all going to come apart at the seems as it’s always been destined to.

But of course it will be Brexit 😆

What are your thoughts on the rushed and enforced green agenda on the car industry? Anyone seeing lots of new opportunities from EV or green related stuff, as Oowee says there will be (but on what basis / evidence I don’t know).

The less economically literate think that a green industry will spring up from the legislatively enforced nonsense to hand and be created - it won’t because it’s not built on economic principles but green legislation forced on people who don’t want it. Like heat pumps. Come up with some expensive but green / environmentally friendly product, service or tech - you can only hope to flog that nonsense to some other ideally captivated country / economy meaning no one outside of enlightened Europe. 
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The car industry hasn't had enough time to make the shift to electric and at present ice production is being throttled back massively to prevent fines for not hitting selling quotas of electric vehicles. Resulting in many automotive manufactures making redundancies.

[Agriv8]

Bringing this back to cars. Correct me if I am wrong but am I correct in believing that you can only by the current Toyota hilux as hybrid and that it’s well over 2 tones ? Not leaving much for stuff in the back of towing a trailer? 
 

job knackered trump being backed by mr tesla vw , bmw merc have all committed billions to build EV’s that no one wants. 

I can’t afford an ev I don’t want an ev 

Uk net 0 is going to change nowt apart from screwing it up for uk

Agriv8

[old man]

20 hours ago, Mungler said:

Ridiculous socialist Labour laws and ridiculous socialist / green agendas have done for the German car industry. And it’s all fallen apart so quickly. 

Yep, death knell from the idiotic green agenda?

Blindly guiding us to where those with any common sense wouldn't go?

17 hours ago, Agriv8 said:

Bringing this back to cars. Correct me if I am wrong but am I correct in believing that you can only by the current Toyota hilux as hybrid and that it’s well over 2 tones ? Not leaving much for stuff in the back of towing a trailer? 
 

job knackered trump being backed by mr tesla vw , bmw merc have all committed billions to build EV’s that no one wants. 

I can’t afford an ev I don’t want an ev 

Uk net 0 is going to change nowt apart from screwing it up for uk

Agriv8

Yep, our politicos repeatedly do it to us so we'll?