Penelope Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 14 hours ago, B686 said: I for one would not want to do their job , even a normal copper no thanks. The **** they have to put up with nowadays from all the A holes there seems to be about . People that criticise them I’m sure that if they were in a position where they needed them I’m pretty dam sure they would be calling them straight away! And then ordered to go and knock up a journalist on a Sunday morning for some supposedly hurty words over a year ago, which they can't divulge. They must of been embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 My biggest worry as a police firearms officer would be of things way down the line, as shown by the persecution of Veterans in NI the government is quite prepared to let you be fed to the baying crowds, those being prosecuted now were cleared by inquiry after inquiry and yet old men are now worrying themselves to death because the government are spineless in their support of soldiers sent on their orders. And for those who denegrate firearms officers, your opinion means little unless you have had to make that split second life/death decision, or had to move toward someone shooting at you or pointing what you believe is a firearm then you have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 16 minutes ago, welsh1 said: My biggest worry as a police firearms officer would be of things way down the line, as shown by the persecution of Veterans in NI the government is quite prepared to let you be fed to the baying crowds, those being prosecuted now were cleared by inquiry after inquiry and yet old men are now worrying themselves to death because the government are spineless in their support of soldiers sent on their orders. And for those who denegrate firearms officers, your opinion means little unless you have had to make that split second life/death decision, or had to move toward someone shooting at you or pointing what you believe is a firearm then you have no idea. Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be. Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 19 hours ago, shaun4860 said: As far as the officer was concerned he received an order not to let Mendez on the train as he was a suspected suicide bomber. As the officer got there he was already on the train and a surveillance officer points to him and says that’s him. After identifying himself as armed police the suspected suicide bomber fails to follow instructions and walks towards said police officer who now thinks he going to take the officers life and countless members of the public’s What would you have done in that SPLIT second? And as for not being damned for not shooting an innocent man? What if he was a suicide bomber, set off his bomb, killed many, then the nay sayers would have been saying why didn’t the police shoot him. There are some weird folk on this forum 🤷🏻♂️ What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man. 8 hours ago, Gordon R said: welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be. Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police. A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 8 hours ago, Gordon R said: welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be. Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police. So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 14 Author Report Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, ordnance said: What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man. A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔 TOO MANY ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 Quote So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔 I didn't say that, but that wouldn't suit your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 14 Author Report Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, ordnance said: So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔 Definitely, if the information they had AT THE TIME, led them to believe there was imminent danger of this person exploding a bomb. It's a bit late after the bomb has been detonated. The loss of life and serious injuries that were incurred on the previous bombings were proof of that. The Officer BELIEVED that there was chance of another bomb being detonated and acted accordingly. Of course you would have done what exactly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 22 minutes ago, clangerman said: funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! Funny thing about hindsight it everyone thinks they are an expert and would have done things differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 4 hours ago, ordnance said: What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man. A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔 As mentioned you have the advantage of hindsight. The officers didn’t. He wasn’t innocent he was an illegal overstayer working illegally, that doesn’t condone him being killed but ignoring 2 officers who have identified themselves as armed police and pointing guns at him and advancing on them does! And also mentioned too many police have been killed, 1 is too many. What about Duggan killing the 2 unarmed policewomen? I have come to the conclusion that you are one of the weird people on this forum. You come across as very anti police🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 9 hours ago, ordnance said: What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man. A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔 Go on then ordnance, here's one for you. The UK has just had 52 people killed in bombings across London, your sent to stop an individual you and your colleagues believe is a bomber likely with a suicide vest on and he's just got on a train full of people. You've got an order that unless there's a very good reason not to, that you must shoot him on sight to prevent him carrying out his plan and you have caught up with him on the train, where the surveillance officer who's been following him identifies him as the bomber, you order him to stand still but he comes at you. What do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 8 hours ago, welsh1 said: Funny thing about hindsight it everyone thinks they are an expert and would have done things differently. You could also be certain that the spineless politicos would throw you under the bus asap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 10 hours ago, clangerman said: funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! I find it 'funny' that an armchair warrior, such as your good self, has continously sniped away from the sidelines, without ONCE enlightening us all, as to just how YOU would handle such a situation. In fact, with your expertise you could qualify for membership of the Technical Operational Support Section Administration. Known as TOSSA for short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 2 hours ago, Westley said: I find it 'funny' that an armchair warrior, such as your good self, has continously sniped away from the sidelines, without ONCE enlightening us all, as to just how YOU would handle such a situation. In fact, with your expertise you could qualify for membership of the Technical Operational Support Section Administration. Known as TOSSA for short. my comment came from a extremely HIGH RANKING POLICE OFFICER who used it to explain how he knew the feo managers “version” of our meeting was a lie so while you collect a red face for your needless abuse I will question or criticise anyone who lives of my taxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 1 minute ago, clangerman said: my comment came from a extremely HIGH RANKING POLICE OFFICER who used it to explain how he knew the feo managers “version” of our meeting was a lie so while you collect a red face for your needless abuse I will question or criticise anyone who lives of my taxes! I rest my case ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 20 minutes ago, Westley said: I rest my case ! the only response you have left after smearing comment from a high ranking police officer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 48 minutes ago, clangerman said: the only response you have left after smearing comment from a high ranking police officer! To be fair you still haven’t said how you would have dealt with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 6 hours ago, old man said: You could also be certain that the spineless politicos would throw you under the bus asap? Ah, yes. That would be one of those High Rankers, I presume ? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 1 hour ago, shaun4860 said: To be fair you still haven’t said how you would have dealt with I would have sweated buckets fighting the adrenaline back while struggling to decide in mil secs at which point do I inflict injuries that bring a warped mind set and nightmares at 3am until those who make excuses or criticise enjoy the consequences of inflicting serious injuries they don’t have a clue what they are talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 3 hours ago, clangerman said: I would have sweated buckets fighting the adrenaline back while struggling to decide in mil secs at which point do I inflict injuries that bring a warped mind set and nightmares at 3am until those who make excuses or criticise enjoy the consequences of inflicting serious injuries they don’t have a clue what they are talking about! Thank god your not an armed cop. I can't make heads or tails what that means and I'm not convinced you do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 Quote my comment came from a extremely HIGH RANKING POLICE OFFICER who used it to explain how he knew the feo managers “version” of our meeting was a lie so while you collect a red face for your needless abuse I will question or criticise anyone who lives of my taxes! Any chance of that in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 I think that he is saying that you have to be an experienced idiot to be able to make an idiotic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 Thank God I don't have to read any of his statements of evidence ! 😂 4 hours ago, clangerman said: I would have sweated buckets fighting the adrenaline back while struggling to decide in mil secs at which point do I inflict injuries that bring a warped mind set and nightmares at 3am until those who make excuses or criticise enjoy the consequences of inflicting serious injuries they don’t have a clue what they are talking about! Maybe the buckets of sweat could have been used to neutralise the suspected bomb ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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