Shoot to kill.

[Penelope]

14 hours ago, B686 said:

I for one would not want to do their job , even a normal copper no thanks. The **** they have to put up with nowadays from all the A holes there seems to be about . People that criticise them I’m sure that if they were in a position where they needed them I’m pretty dam sure they would be calling them straight away!

And then ordered to go and knock up a journalist on a Sunday morning for some supposedly hurty words over a year ago, which they can't divulge. They must of been embarrassed.

[welsh1]

My biggest worry as a police firearms officer would be of things way down the line, as shown by the persecution of Veterans in NI the government is quite prepared to let you be fed to the baying crowds, those being prosecuted now were cleared by inquiry after inquiry  and yet old men are now worrying themselves to death because the government are spineless in their support of soldiers sent on their orders.

And for those who denegrate firearms officers, your opinion means little unless you have had to make that split second life/death decision, or had to  move toward someone shooting at you or pointing what you believe is a firearm then you have no idea.

[amateur]

16 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

My biggest worry as a police firearms officer would be of things way down the line, as shown by the persecution of Veterans in NI the government is quite prepared to let you be fed to the baying crowds, those being prosecuted now were cleared by inquiry after inquiry  and yet old men are now worrying themselves to death because the government are spineless in their support of soldiers sent on their orders.

And for those who denegrate firearms officers, your opinion means little unless you have had to make that split second life/death decision, or had to  move toward someone shooting at you or pointing what you believe is a firearm then you have no idea.

Absolutely 

[Gordon R]

welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be.

Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police.

[ordnance]

19 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

As far as the officer was concerned he received an order not to let Mendez on the train as he was a suspected suicide bomber.

As the officer got there he was already on the train and a surveillance officer points to him and says that’s him.

After identifying himself as armed police the suspected suicide bomber fails to follow instructions and walks towards said police officer who now thinks he going to take the officers life and countless members of the public’s 

What would you have done in that SPLIT second?

And as for not being damned for not shooting an innocent man? What if he was a suicide bomber, set off his bomb, killed many, then the nay sayers would have been saying why didn’t the police shoot him.

There are some weird folk on this forum 🤷🏻‍♂️

What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man.

8 hours ago, Gordon R said:

welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be.

Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police.

A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔

[ordnance]

8 hours ago, Gordon R said:

welsh1 - hit the nail on the head. The firearms people do a dangerous task, where no-one thanks you for potentially saving lives, but a shedload of armchair critics sit there waiting for a mistake. I haven't seen one practical solution, but that doesn't stop the "there must have been another way", without ever saying what that would be.

Whilst no-one celebrates the loss of any life, I am embarrassed by some of the posts on here. A common theme running through the deaths is that when faced with armed Police, some just don't do as they are instructed. They range from someone who was illegally in the country, through some who appear to be carrying arms, to career criminals who would not hesitate to kill the Police.

So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔

[Westley]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man.

A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔

TOO MANY  !

[Gordon R]

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So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔

I didn't say that, but that wouldn't suit your agenda.

[Westley]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

So you think it's Ok for the police to shoot someone for not following instructions 🤔

Definitely, if the information they had AT THE TIME, led them to believe there was imminent danger of this person exploding a bomb. It's a bit late after the bomb has been detonated. The loss of life and serious injuries that were incurred on the previous bombings were proof of that. The Officer BELIEVED that there was chance of another bomb being detonated and acted accordingly. 

Of course you would have done what exactly  ?

[clangerman]

funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! 

[welsh1]

22 minutes ago, clangerman said:

funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! 

Funny thing about hindsight it everyone thinks they are an expert and would have done things differently.

[shaun4860]

4 hours ago, ordnance said:

What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man.

A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔

As mentioned you have the advantage of hindsight.

The officers didn’t.

He wasn’t innocent he was an illegal overstayer working illegally, that doesn’t condone him being killed but ignoring 2 officers who have identified themselves as armed police and pointing guns at him and advancing on them does!

And also mentioned too many police have been killed, 1 is too many.

What about Duggan killing the 2 unarmed policewomen?

I have come to the conclusion that you are one of the weird people on this forum.

You come across as very anti police🤔

[12gauge82]

9 hours ago, ordnance said:

What if, rather than what if maybe what was. He was an innocent man shot dead by the police, so the officer would not be damned for not shooting an innocent man.

A dangerous task, how many firearms officers have been killed, and how many unarmed officers have been killed 🤔

Go on then ordnance, here's one for you. 

The UK has just had 52 people killed in bombings across London, your sent to stop an individual you and your colleagues believe is a bomber likely with a suicide vest on and he's just got on a train full of people. You've got an order that unless there's a very good reason not to, that you must shoot him on sight to prevent him carrying out his plan and you have caught up with him on the train, where the surveillance officer who's been following him identifies him as the bomber, you order him to stand still but he comes at you. 

What do you do? 

[old man]

8 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Funny thing about hindsight it everyone thinks they are an expert and would have done things differently.

You could also be certain that the spineless politicos would throw you under the bus asap?

[Westley]

10 hours ago, clangerman said:

funny thing about the true version of an event is the way it never changes unlike the excuses people make for it! 

I find it 'funny' that an armchair warrior, such as your good self, has continously sniped away from the sidelines, without ONCE enlightening us all, as to just how YOU would handle such a situation. In fact, with your expertise you could qualify for membership of the Technical Operational Support Section Administration.  Known as TOSSA for short.