TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 The prime minister announced 13000 NEW Police Officers in his recent Change of Plan speech, but it turned out very few of the 13000 would be new Officers, rather a moving around of the workforce which is NOT NEW Officers. Yvette Cooper the Home Secretary has been warned by 10 Chief Constables that it is unworkable. The previous government was part way through 20000 extra Police Officers. Who does the maths? Where are they going to find the people and the money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Diane Abbott has been brought in as a consultant and given assurances that the extra 13k staff will soon be in place at zero cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Well. I saw one walking through a local village last week. Maybe he was lost or his car had broke down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Diane Abbott has been brought in as a consultant and given assurances that the extra 13k staff will soon be in place at zero cost. 😀. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 ....reading this post ...i am unable to add anything of use i think it is a DNA thing ..that MP's are unable to feel embarrassment in the same way Prince Andrew is unable to sweat...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Home Affairs Editor Related Topics Yvette Cooper, Police, Labour Party 09 December 2024 10:04am GMT 232 Police chiefs have warned Yvette Cooper that thousands of officers’ jobs will have to be cut because of a funding shortfall. Ten forces have written to the Home Secretary predicting that they will be more than £300 million short in the police funding settlement due to be announced this week, forcing major reductions to frontline officers, police community support officers (PCSOs) and staff numbers next year. The chief constables and police and crime commissioners (PCCs) are seeking talks with ministers about the scale of the cuts, with one force alone warning it would have to axe more than 200 police officer posts and half of its PCSOs to balance the books. Advertisement The ten forces include Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Lincolnshire, Norfolk and Suffolk but others have also warned they too face reductions. The Telegraph revealed last week that the Metropolitan Police force is braced for reductions of up to 2,300 officers out of a force of 34,000 as well as 400 civilian staff, because of a potential £450 million budget shortfall. Specialist crime-fighting units like the Flying Squad face cuts of a fifth. It comes after the Prime Minister announced plans last week to put 13,000 additional officers, PCSOs and special constables on the beat across England and Wales. ‘Fundamental accounting mistake’ But the policy came under attack after it emerged that almost a quarter will be drawn from existing ranks, meaning officers will have to be redeployed from current duties, leaving gaps to fill. Labour is also introducing targets for forces including halving knife crime and violence against women and girls, but some police and crime commissioners are warning these will be unachievable if the previous government’s 20,000 officer uplift is reversed. Ms Cooper announced last month that the core grant for the 43 forces in England and Wales would rise by more than £260 million in 2025/26, but policing leaders claim that won’t be enough to cover an above-inflation police pay award and a growing wage bill. The police chiefs have calculated that they would need an extra £331 million next year just to fund the latest 4.75 per cent police pay award. They also say no allowance has been made for the rising pay of the 46,000 officers hired since 2019 when the last Government funded 20,000 new officers. In their fifth year of service, a police constable typically earns 25 per cent more than in their first year, with an increase of about £4,000 between their fourth and sixth year in post. One senior policing figure claimed the Home Office had made a “fundamental accounting mistake” and the 2025/6 funding settlement due to be announced this week fell short of what was needed. ‘Maintain and grow police numbers’ Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said: “It is disgraceful that police forces are faced with having to cut police numbers thanks to Labour’s real-term cut in funding when pay pressures are accounted for. “This means that British people face falling police numbers even though Labour has slapped us with the biggest tax rise in recent memory – breaking their election promises in doing so. Conservatives left office with record police numbers – I call on Labour to maintain and grow those record police officer numbers.” The Home Office said forces should avoid making assumptions on the funding settlement until full details are published and stressed that the Home Secretary had already confirmed that forces will be fully compensated for the changes to employer National Insurance contributions. They added that the council tax level is determined locally and that ministers do not expect forces to be making reductions to officer headcount. A Home Office spokesman said: “The Home Secretary has already announced an increase of over half a billion pounds of central government funding for policing next year, with a core grant increase of more than £260 million. “This overall increase also includes an additional £100 million to reinvigorate neighbourhood policing and restore a visible presence of officers to our streets. Further funding and details on the overall settlement will be announced in due course.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Diane Abbott had a fully costed plan for this. This looks similar in that as far as I can ascertain from the press, this is to be achieved by the simple expedient of counting some of them twice. I wonder if they will be paying them twice as well? In fact, I suspect that using Diane Abbotts figures, this may actually bring in money due to the additional NI contributions they will be paying due to Rachel Reeves changes. On a more serious note. additional officers on the actual "Police Force" could be obtained as a cost neutral measure by scrapping the whole "Offices of Police and Crime Commissioners" - who employ a lot of staff (ours has 67) at considerable cost and only ever produce paperwork (reports ad infinitum) and attend conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 They could scrap the Scottish and Welsh Assemblies and save even more. Why did they ever introduce yet another totally unnecessary layer of bureaucracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, Gordon R said: They could scrap the Scottish and Welsh Assemblies and save even more. Why did they ever introduce yet another totally unnecessary layer of bureaucracy? To many relatives and mates. Not enough jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Why did they ever introduce yet another totally unnecessary layer of bureaucracy? Civil 'Servants' draft the legislation and 'lead' Gov't ministers in to what to do - in particular the detail. Civil Servants depend on bureaucracy. It is what they exist for. If we trimmed bureaucracy to the bare minimum, the size of the Civil Service could be slashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 JohnfromUK - The Civil Service needs to be slashed and the political element removed. They are paid to be impartial, but that ceased a long time ago. Not fit for purpose with truly inept people at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: JohnfromUK - The Civil Service needs to be slashed and the political element removed. They are paid to be impartial, but that ceased a long time ago. Not fit for purpose with truly inept people at the top. They have at the top ' "Sir Humphreys". Mrs Thatcher was a great admirer of Yes Minister and even appeared in a cameo in it - but she said that most people would not believe how like the real thing it actually was ........... and since Blair's time it has (in my view anyway) got MUCH worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Has Starmer any idea how long it would take to recruit and train that many police officers? Or how much it would cost? You can't just put a notice on the board at the job centre, start on Monday If they want to throw money at it concentrate on keeping the ones we already have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 28 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Has Starmer any idea how long it would take to recruit and train that many police officers? Or how much it would cost? You can't just put a notice on the board at the job centre, start on Monday If they want to throw money at it concentrate on keeping the ones we already have You can shorten that to; 28 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Has Starmer any idea? and the answer is "No, none at all" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Has Starmer any idea None of them have - and fully costed promises, don't make me larf. It is a blank check for the civil service mandarins to do just what they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: The prime minister announced 13000 NEW Police Officers in his recent Change of Plan speech, but it turned out very few of the 13000 would be new Officers, rather a moving around of the workforce which is NOT NEW Officers. Yvette Cooper the Home Secretary has been warned by 10 Chief Constables that it is unworkable. The previous government was part way through 20000 extra Police Officers. Who does the maths? Where are they going to find the people and the money? it has NOW been reported that Pixie Balls (yevette cooper) is going to cut thousands of police jobs cause there is a £300 million black hole in the force................................... BLOODY IDIOTS ARE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY...THEY NEED LOCKING UP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 10 Author Report Share Posted December 10 Read this; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2vxke4j1zo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 13 Author Report Share Posted December 13 And it continues, 13000 new police my ****. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clykw2yl40go There will be less of them due to the government's changes to NI and high wage settlements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 13 Report Share Posted December 13 6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And it continues, 13000 new police my ****. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clykw2yl40go There will be less of them due to the government's changes to NI and high wage settlements. The Essex Chief Constable was on BBC R4 this morning being interviewed about this. He raised various points, the jist being; Much of this is 'old news' are many of them are already recruited, being paid, but may still be under training. It's not 'new' as in under this Gov't. They have not actually been given any 'figures' for the 'extra' money they will get, but the suggestion has been that it will be less than the extra costs of the public sector pay award made by Labour and the additional NI costs put in by Labour. He expects to lose around 200 officers who will not be replaced - which will not mean redundancy, but will have less police employed due to the extra costs, but could be mitigated if there actually is any extra money - or if this is a 're-announcement of existing money' He as good as said that the Home Office was either 'confused' or lying when it made those promises of 'new' police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 13 Author Report Share Posted December 13 Just more of the Labour governments "Smoke and Mirrors" campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 13 Report Share Posted December 13 20 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Just more of the Labour governments "Smoke and Mirrors" campaign. Everyone got rather sick of Johnson's 'smoke and mirrors' and 'difficulty with the truth' - and Starmer faithfully promised to bring back truth and honesty; Link here (if you can abide Starmers Facebook). https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1483517055398169 In fact if anything I think Labour so far have been worse. We have had; Starmers freebies of suits, accommodation etc. Rayners questionable tax affairs on sale of her Council House Reeves's incorrect CV Louise Haigh's resignation on fraud and truthfulness (lack of) and no doubt others I have missed. It isn't a good record for less than 6 months in office on a promise to restore truth and trust. But then they have made SUCH a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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