ROBLATCH Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 good luck mate give the f-----g to--ers a run for the money and laugh em in the face. good luck mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Give Mung a ring and ask him, if he knows any good Briefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I still don't understand what they are accusing you of? Are they trying to say that the warren was in fact a badgers set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 as a ex hunt terrierman i had plenty of visit's from the RSPCA for brock digging accusation's made by ALF false of course , unless she has a court order and a plod with her just shut the door in her face .they carry no power especily on a caution or entry like i say unless with a plod and court order .came to my door one morning one of many visit's a quick flash of 2 id cards and dressd like c.i.d tryd to gain entry . asked for a better look at cards laughd in there face's and threatend them with police for trying to pass as officer's put them on there way never had a problem since. they can be a real pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I still don't understand what they are accusing you of? Are they trying to say that the warren was in fact a badgers set? I've removed badgers from sets previously (on licence from Defra) and never had issues so I'm surprised that this is the case here...but then you are in the cuddly touchy feely south! as a ex hunt terrierman i had plenty of visit's from the RSPCA for brock digging accusation's made by ALF false of course , unless she has a court order and a plod with her just shut the door in her face .they carry no power especily on a caution or entry like i say unless with a plod and court order .came to my door one morning one of many visit's a quick flash of 2 id cards and dressd like c.i.d tryd to gain entry . asked for a better look at cards laughd in there face's and threatend them with police for trying to pass as officer's put them on there way never had a problem since. they can be a real pain I would be careful of this and actually read what their cards say . Whilst I work for the government I don't work for the plod and I carry a power of entry card that doesn't need a court order. It allows me access to any property I deem necessary without the need for the police. If you block my access you will simply get charged with obstruction/wasting police time and force dependant you may have to pay the plods call out fees too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I would be careful of this and actually read what their cards say . Whilst I work for the government I don't work for the plod and I carry a power of entry card that doesn't need a court order. It allows me access to any property I deem necessary without the need for the police. If you block my access you will simply get charged with obstruction/wasting police time and force dependant you may have to pay the plods call out fees too! What do you do that allows you access to any property? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 What do you do that allows you access to any property? Tooth Fairy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Piebob Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I would be careful of this and actually read what their cards say . Whilst I work for the government I don't work for the plod and I carry a power of entry card that doesn't need a court order. It allows me access to any property I deem necessary without the need for the police. If you block my access you will simply get charged with obstruction/wasting police time and force dependant you may have to pay the plods call out fees too! I'd love to hear more about this. How can someone be charged with wasting police time when they are in fact wasting your time and you're not in the police. Not even the police have any right to arrive at someone's door and expect to interview them. Arrest them and interview - yes. But you have this power? How are the general public meant to realise / verify you have this power when you show up at the door? Because it says so on a bit of card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I had a visit from the rspca earlier this year about my dog (ex track greyhound) there call was regarding a report from someone about a large thin black & white dog, she had been speyed & i had only had her a month I was on my way back with her from a walk & the van was outside my house, they didnt ask to come in the house , and left after 2 mins of basically looking at her However i wouldnt have let them in as i was alone at the time & i fail to see why anyone should let them in to there property fullstop, just because they wear a uniform doesnt give them the right to enter your property , lets face it they themselves are the biggest destroyer of animals anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) . Edited March 30, 2010 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Customs being able to do that rings a bell with me too. Not sure that it holds true now though... might have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) . Edited March 30, 2010 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Do a quick Google on the subject. it seems that there are over 466 odd bods that have a right to enter your home without a warrant. These include Customs & Excise, Fire Brigade, Health & Safety, Food Standards Agency and of course your Local Council snoops.....................bloody disgrace if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) . Edited March 30, 2010 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Here is the original document: Crossing the Threshold: 266 ways the State can enter your home http://www.jessenorman.com/downloads/Cross...e-Threshold.pdf Comprehensive list in the Appendix, starting page 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Alexm And to make matters worse, latest research suggests that the number has infact grown to in excess of 450 !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snozzer Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Actually, there are very few acts enabling you HOME to be entered without warrant or notice. Most of them are sensibl,e Police for crime, gas baord to stop leaks etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Maiden, Having HMRC (the whole thing) with the same level of powers as the old Customs lot would be shocking. They must have thought of that before they merged them though... As for the other people that can enter your home, it might not be a problem now, but how bad would it be if the Fire Brigade turned bad, or you owed the gas board money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Do a quick Google on the subject. it seems that there are over 466 odd bods that have a right to enter your home without a warrant. These include Customs & Excise, Fire Brigade, Health & Safety, Food Standards Agency and of course your Local Council snoops.....................bloody disgrace if you ask me. I think I would perhaps leave them on the doorstep for an hour or two while I "checked" their credentials over the phone, after all we are advised by all and sundry to always check out anyone who comes knocking on the door asking to be let in..... they might be after my pension D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 The rspca have no rights they are a charity and because they wear uniforms counts for sod all , and if the police arrive with them ask for a warrant or the equvailnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 "The rspca have no rights they are a charity and because they wear uniforms counts for sod all , and if the police arrive with them ask for a warrant or the equivalent" Don't forget that you only have to let in the people named on the warrant, according to some anti RSPCA website that I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I think this is the site... http://the-shg.org/ RSPCA and the law The 'caution' Here's what to do if they do call... A uniformed RSPCA inspector arrives. They may knock at the door or you will see them looking into sheds, stables and buildings. They say that they have had a report about your animals and would like to check them. · Have they any rights to be on your property? ................................ NO!! · Do they have any special legal powers? ......................................... NO!! · Can they demand entry to your dwelling to look at your animals? ... NO!! · Can they demand that you answer questions? ................................ NO!! What should you do?? Be polite, but very firm and refuse them entry. Tell them to leave. If they refuse you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. If a policeman is present, ask him to leave unless he has a warrant, or is going to arrest you. Do not volunteer any information. Keep your mouth shut, Refuse to answer any questions. Do not even give your name. They may caution you and tell you that you are not under arrest, using the standard police wording. They may do their best to ignore you and talk over you, trying to goad you into giving answers to their allegations. The uniform, the caution, and the general demeanour are meant to intimidate you. You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way. If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper. THE RSPCA DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL POWERS WHATSOEVER. Get names , numbers, and rank of any person present, write them down. Cancel going shopping next day, the RSPCA has a habit of returning when you are not there. People have returned to find all their animals gone and receipts nailed to a post or door. If possible move your animals to neighbours and friends you can trust. What to do when they have left. Don't sit down and think that is the end of it. Your battle has only just started.. Get photographs of all your stock, land and premises. Get your vet out to look at all of your animals and get him to write a report. Act immediately on any recommendations he has. The written report is essential. Get specialist legal advice. Below are two phone numbers. We know of solicitors, barristers, and specialist vets and land experts who are accepted by the courts as expert witnesses. For any help : 0870 072 6689 Should your number be automatically withheld prefix the above number wth 1470 Hopefully none of the above has happened to you, and we hope it never will, but please be prepared just in case. Do not treat the RSPCA lightly. They are an immensely wealthy and incredibly powerful organisation who openly admit to breaching people’s civil and legal rights. There's also some info here... http://www.livefoodshop.co.uk/forum/index....showtopic=64901 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A123 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I always understood environmental health and TV license people were allowed access wherever they wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 This animal 24:7 that's on BBC2 at the moment makeS out that the RSPCA are some sort of para-military style police force. This show and it's ilk have a lot to answer for in conning the public in to believing a lot of the mistruths about the RSPCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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