col s10 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 justified or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 the air strikes today over 200 plastinies killed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 they just all wanna bloody pack it in and behave..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I'm not convinced it's made the middle east or the world a safer place. Probably the reverse if anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 i think its well justified. hamas has been firing rockets into israel.it`s a fundamentalist terror group. it uses civilians as human shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 they just all wanna bloody pack it in and behave..... we now have the new policy statement.for a problem thats been going on for 40 years.we should forward this to mr obarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 we now have the new policy statement.for a problem thats been going on for 40 years.we should forward this to mr obarma Yep, I'll go along with that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 well, its either that or get the big stick out..... is that what you want? cos thats what'll 'appen........ oh.... if i ruled the world...... (sorry, its getting late) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I seem to recall that we tried getting the big stick out for this one 60 years ago - which is basically why we are where we are today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 We are stirring mess of our own making unfortunately - I'm with Hammas on this one. Israel tend to crack a nut with a sledgehammer. Sorry if that offends, buts it's the way i see it (and i do not have an anti semmitic bone in my body) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Israel tend to crack a nut with a sledgehammer. surely the best way to be when dealing with terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 surely the best way to be when dealing with terrorists? Define "terrorists". I have woken up this morning to pictures of women and small children covered in claret and packed into make shift hospitals. If you were to drop a bomb on my house whilst I slept and killed my wife and kids I might well awake with "terrorist" tendancies and an extreme dislike for those who dropped bombs on me. Would that make me a terrorist? Violence begets violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 It's a can of worms. I don't have much time for Islam and even less time for terrorism, but I do think that the Palestinians have a "cause". The world sat by and allowed "Israel" to be set up on the Palestinian homeland (Palestine), just because the Bible said that that was the Jews "promised land". As the Palestinians don't "do" the Bible and I tend to regard the Bible as a popular work of fiction, it all seems like a load of cobblers to me. It's a bit like a load of Islamists coming to South Manchester and declaring it an Islamic homeland, because that's what it says in the Koran - page 542, the bit of land under Chard's house is a holy site, blessed by the Prophet Mohammed, so we're 'avin' it. I think I might wake up with terrorist tendancies too. I don't like the methods the Palestinians use, but maybe they tried everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 If this one stays "nice" it's going to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 If this one stays "nice" it's going to run I'll get my tin hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden_cocker Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 We are stirring mess of our own making unfortunately - I'm with Hammas on this one. Israel tend to crack a nut with a sledgehammer. Sorry if that offends, buts it's the way i see it (and i do not have an anti semmitic bone in my body) well the way i see it is that if someone hits you and you hit back harder they should get the message not to hit you. hamas are terrorists, i know there are civilian casualties but then hamas hide behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 well the way i see it is that if someone hits you and you hit back harder they should get the message not to hit you. hamas are terrorists, i know there are civilian casualties but then hamas hide behind them. I used to think that way, however, if you think back over the last couple of hundred years when has this ever actually worked in practice? It hasn't worked with the war on drugs, the war on terror or any other conflict you care to mention. You think of the amount of "hitting back" that has gone on in the middle East over the last hundred years and yet do we see any sign of it ending? Nope, just more "hitting back". Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I used to think that way, however, if you think back over the last couple of hundred years when has this ever actually worked in practice? It hasn't worked with the war on drugs, the war on terror or any other conflict you care to mention. You think of the amount of "hitting back" that has gone on in the middle East over the last hundred years and yet do we see any sign of it ending? Nope, just more "hitting back". Great. hiroshima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Ah but that was at a point where a War (which was traditonally held and fought) had already been lost and was back in the day when only the Yanks had the bomb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 The typically harsh response's of Israel are-in my opinion-a result of 3000 years of persecution. If 6 million of your people had been murdered, you're not going to be in any kind of mood for mercy. I'm not defending Israel bombing Palestine, but don't forget the Palestinians don't endear themselves to the Israelis. Blowing yourself up on a bus packed full of children and elderley people is not the way to go about getting the support of Israel. Forgetting the politics for a moment, while politicians and soldiers make the decisions, it's usually the civilians who get hurt. They are the real victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 We are stirring mess of our own making unfortunately - I'm with Hammas on this one. Israel tend to crack a nut with a sledgehammer. Sorry if that offends, buts it's the way i see it (and i do not have an anti semmitic bone in my body) You are entitled to your opinion like anyone else, however you need educating as to that which Hammas is?and why its they who "stir" not the other way, yes Israel has been heavy handed but what else do they do.what else can they do? because if this way wont work as mungler stated, the next step up bears no thinking about. this is part of a speech from an elected MP (hammas) Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life." so don't cry foul when the Israelites who are trying to lead normal lives, are goaded into retaliating to hundreds of rocket attacks, and take a few schools and other civilian structures out and with the ensuing carnage that results, as fact is hammas know expect and want the death of kids and women,they do that by placing launching facilities in them. hammas don't cry when a 13 year old boy walks up to a group of soldiers and blows them and himself to kingdom come, they don't cry when they wont let civilians cross to Egyptian aid camps and receive medical treatment, they don't cry when they have no infrastructure , quality of life, future or needs other than destroying the Zionists? to them that's everyone in the west by the way, not just those with trimmed *****!! so when "supporting hammas" understand you are actually supporting an idealism that WOULD and WILL destroy you and yours, cheers KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 No. This whole thing didn't start with some rockets, it strated in 1967 when the Israeli goverment illegally occupied West Bank and Gaza and have been regularly carrying out genocide. If you were living in a country occupied for 41 years you would be a bit more than peeved off and might do something more drastic to improve your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 No. This whole thing didn't start with some rockets, it strated in 1967 when the Israeli goverment illegally occupied West Bank and Gaza and have been regularly carrying out genocide. If you were living in a country occupied for 41 years you would be a bit more than peeved off and might do something more drastic to improve your situation. So blowing yourself up on a bus full of women and children is ok? How does that improve the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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