cocker3 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 why please. why not is it to much effort fot to little reward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) why not is it to much effort fot to little reward on average 10p a bird. there are worth more to me as fox bait, and stops the foxes doing the chickens. your moaning about leaving em for bait , but its ok to sell them. A bit hypocritical is in not. killing for a meagre few quid. Edited February 12, 2009 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 This thread has made excellent reading, oooo how i love a bitch fight ! So here's my pennies worth... Shooting pigeons is vermin control, for which some of us enjoy as a hobbie/sport or whatever you wish to call it, BUT bottom line is on a farm it is VERMIN CONTROL. Mr farmer won't give you written permission to shoot his land stating 'call by, shoot 3 pigeons for the pot then pop home' Mr farmer wants you there at the right time killing and moving the pigeons off his crops as often as possible. Some days we shoot 5 some days we shoot 100's. but we make the noise 'bang' each time we go which also helps. If I shoot say 20 birds then they come home and will be in my next pie. however if i have a freezer full and so have friends and family then i will leave some behind. I would not leave them in a pile in the middle of the field nor leave them near any footpath or road. I will find a nice hedgerow or wood spread them out a little and normally cover them with some leaves. The fox will find them but if some passer by happens to be where they shouldn't they proberly wouldn't notice them. Anti's ... balls to them ! A flying rat is a flying rat ! And yes, whats the difference between leaving shot rats and crows than leaving pigeons, all classed as vermin, all are vermin, just pigeon tastes good. Anyway, Let the bitching continue as its keeping me entertained and there is only a load of **** on the box tonight. Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockers Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 We are talking about VERMIN. I disagree but that is your opinion. Still stand by my comments that you are confusing pigeon shooting with exterminating pests like cockroaches etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpersniper Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hi im a farm worker, a shearing contractor and i do some tractor driving on arable farms as well as having a family farm at home, so deal a lot with all aspects of farming. Im also an avid shooter of vermin. Yes i think you need to shoot them to control numbers, you should use whatever you want but i think you should bury what you dont. Burying livestock has been banned since a few years so now we have to pay about 15 quid a ewe or 20 or 30 a cow to send them for incineration which is ridiculous but the law. Im currently helping lambing a flock of 500 ewes at a research university trial, we have to send placenta, and still born lambs aswell which is also ridiculous. A pile of dead pigeons would stink and be a mess on farmland, and feeding foxes? eh?! just shoot the pests i think fellas, eat them aswell obviously but dont go too hugh fernley! p.s i am light hearted not an arguer just give a bit of an opinion! SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Can someone pass the popcorn please? But seriously, this started as an interesting topic and each person respected other peoples views, it has now turned really quite unpleasant, can we get back to an informed discussion respecting other peoples takes on disposal etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) This is great, I haven't heard such well reasoned arguments since I picked my nipper up from nursery earlier *Grabs popcorn and gets comfy* EDIT: Nicely cross posted Warlock, you can share my popcorn Edited February 12, 2009 by 955i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Found you at last Mark. Why do you need to go pigeon shooting for sport when you can get all the sport you need on here. Bin reading through this topic and can't be arced to post anything meaningful. What's the point? They wouldn't understand it. By the way Voltaire was a lesbian and Saltaire is in Bradford. Llamas are bigger than frogs and Fanny's yer aunt. Just bear in mind mate, you can't educate pork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country_est Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Can someone translate this for me please? With punctuation I think it should be Right am off. Got foxes to kill, give me a shout some time I will show you how to shoot them instead of just feeding them lol. Same time the tomorow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninj Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Aimed at noone in particular, but............ Am I missing the obvious here? If you have no use for the birds after you've shot them, and you have to shoot them, don't be a lazy ***, put them in bags and take them with you. If you have so little respect for what you shoot, vermin/pest or not, and regard them as rubbish - dispose of them as such in double bags at your local site - not ideal but a damn sight better than leaving them dropped at your ****. The odd one here and there is one thing but piles of them?? To me, woodies offer some of the best sport going and as an asside to controlling them, I enjoy shooting them - as such, if I couldn't be ar5ed taking large bags with me I would stop or expect to get kicked off my ground for being bone idle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I thought Essex was a suburb of London. A holiday camp for Trafalgar Square ferals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Matter of interest Mark, has that fox had the pigeon carcases we left out the other night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 This thread has made excellent reading, oooo how i love a bitch fight ! So here's my pennies worth... Shooting pigeons is vermin control, for which some of us enjoy as a hobbie/sport or whatever you wish to call it, BUT bottom line is on a farm it is VERMIN CONTROL. Mr farmer won't give you written permission to shoot his land stating 'call by, shoot 3 pigeons for the pot then pop home' Mr farmer wants you there at the right time killing and moving the pigeons off his crops as often as possible. Some days we shoot 5 some days we shoot 100's. but we make the noise 'bang' each time we go which also helps. If I shoot say 20 birds then they come home and will be in my next pie. however if i have a freezer full and so have friends and family then i will leave some behind. I would not leave them in a pile in the middle of the field nor leave them near any footpath or road. I will find a nice hedgerow or wood spread them out a little and normally cover them with some leaves. The fox will find them but if some passer by happens to be where they shouldn't they proberly wouldn't notice them. Anti's ... balls to them ! A flying rat is a flying rat ! And yes, whats the difference between leaving shot rats and crows than leaving pigeons, all classed as vermin, all are vermin, just pigeon tastes good. Anyway, Let the bitching continue as its keeping me entertained and there is only a load of **** on the box tonight. Daz my point exactly as said before i do take home all what i shoot ,most of the time,but have ben know to dump a fe on occaison,but my opinon is if you want or need to dump them,fine,not a problem in my book.i rarely get big bags of pigeons ,mainly crows i get,but still cant see the differance in what they are if they both dumped,so what does everyone do with dead smelly crows when they get towards 100 of them then,take them home in bags?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 exactly crows, foxes rats are all it seems fine to leave at the base of hedges to go back to nature but Pigeons aren't. Odd logic there, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Thread tidied up, keep it on topic, and knock the petty insults on the head please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 bloody hell got time on your hands today Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) i usually leave foxes in a ditch, and leave the ferals and corvids around the fields for the foxes to pick up, this way i can ensure that it will keep the foxes around for me to have a go at, (i dont want to wipe them out in the area entirely) and secondly, i dont want to leave them go to waste, so give them back to the land, i leave em for the other rodents. (my permissions are glad to have them around but not in the numbers they are in) Edited February 13, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 bloody hell got time on your hands today Stuart Yes I thought would be a quick tidy up before the pub, 35 culled responses later . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Yes I thought would be a quick tidy up before the pub, 35 culled responses later . . . But Stuart WHERE do you leave those responses once culled! Edited February 13, 2009 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 In the bin where they belong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 ok i`ve read the thread. i`m new to all of this the only pigeons i`ve shot so far are of the clay type (and they were a swine to pick up after) but am hoping to get out and shoot some real one very soon. from what i`ve read this is what i should do shoot some for the pot shoot some for friends shoot some for family shoot some for the farmer shoot some for the game dealer shoot some for the other vermin shoot some for the bin the only thing everybody seems to agree on is not to leave in a big pile in the field. oh ang miss a few on purpose for the anti`s think thats everyone i`m going to be real busy. ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobidog Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think it is wrong dumping hundreds carcasasses i eat all of the woodys i shoot but if i shoot a feral it gos to the fox because the foxes aren't a probablem on our farm.(but i have never shot more than 5 ferals in one day lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 The game dealer i supply will take all the WoodPigeon i can shoot, it was viewed once as a peasant food but now with it being such a cheap meat to buy in and restaurants selling it at such high prices the popularity is very high. The game dealer buys in for 20p a bird and knocks 2 pigeon breasts out in his local village for i think about a £1.50, seeing as i alone supply on average 50-60 birds a week, he has waiting list of people wanting them, i have also found that some people in the village now know my vehicle and that when it turn up they know i have pigeons or rabbits and they come out and see me asking to buy pigeons direct, the game dealer isn`t too happy but he knows if i stop supplying him he loses too much so we have an understanding that he gets 50 minimum the rest i have first dibs on selling privately, if i get less than 50 he gets the lot. In short, why would anyone want to leave them in a field when money can be made of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Stalker Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 A bit of a no brainer :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fo5ter Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Although I would agree that a great pile of birds helps no-one, i agree that spreading them about a bit certainly will - like has already been said to distract foxes etc, etc. I eat what i shoot or sell them to my chef mate but then I dont really shoot many pigeons as im a rifleman not a shotgunner - we all have to be practical at the end of the day. How would these antis find them exactly? since you arent supposed beshooting near any roads or public right of way - if anyone does stumble upon a pile of birds they are trespassing! none of that "right to roam" bo*****s that townies imagine they have! Pigeons are shot within the terms of the general license which can be found here: http://www.naturalengland.gov.uk/ourwork/r...allicences.aspx However there is nothing in there which says you cant enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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