karl w Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 NEED HELP PLEASE local farmer is over run with hare's so myself and a friend have been trying to sort them out but with no luck as are pellets just dont seem to do anything to the hare's i am using a air arms s 300 in 177 and my friend is using a logan s16 in 22 we only go for head shots can any one tell what could be the problem THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Karl, Me guns in its case ,plenty of ammo and the cars packed where am i coming to ! Dont think an air rifle is really up to the job unless you can get in real close prob less than 25 yards with a spot on head shot. Hairs are big tough *******!! Cheers, Brian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Red Fox Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 If you only go for head shots then you must be missing or the range is way too far, try and get help from someone with a .22 rimfire if the land is suitable Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 To be honest I think your undergunned. I Use a .22 hornet for most of my Hare shooting and occasionally a .22rf or 22-250. In my younger days I did account for a few Hares with my HW97k .22 but an air gun isn't really up for the job, unless you can get down to 20 yards max and head shots only Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) at 40m my .177 HW77 used to create an exit wound on a hares head! It was on or very near the legal limit! Personaly I would not shoot hares at this time of year. Dave Edited June 29, 2005 by Devilishdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 An airgun is not the appropriate weapon to use for shooting hares, head shots, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 an airgun is not a weapon its a tool (not aimed at you particually cranfield, its just a term that anoys me) but you are correct, a hare is too big an animal for an airgun, rimfire as a minimum, i think as mentioned above hornet would be a fine choice to control these lovely creatures i wish we had some around my parts, apprently one was spotted on one of my foxing permssions, hopefully we can keep down fox numbers and they will mulitply :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) An airgun is not the appropriate weapon to use for shooting hares, head shots, or not. We [bASC] recommend that you refrain from using them [airguns] on live quarry other than the following: crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, woodpigeon, collared doves, feral pigeons, brown rats, grey squirrels and rabbits. that has been taken from the BASCA web site on "airgun code of practise" full version can be seen ........ all the quarry on that list is classified as VERMIN. HERE ****deleted stupid remark***** HARES ARE CLASSED AS PESTS and as you say your having problems grouping with your S300 in a previouse post i would seriously consider NOT taking it to the fields until you have the accuracy problem sorted out!!!!! ROB Edited June 29, 2005 by roblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Ware does it state that hares are protected species?? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) Do DEFRA state anywhere what gun you can use? might want to check out the legality of shooting hares with any form of rifle or gun, you may find they are still on the protected speicies list. Not around here they aren't! they can be a real problem in some areas. Mark. Edited June 29, 2005 by M ROBSON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) it dosnt I just seem to rember hearing or reading they were on the no no list. think it would be a good idea to check it out though, to find out for sure if they are or are not. just did a quick search of google and i stand corrected :( (well nobodys right all the time ....but i do my best LOL) HARES ARE CLASSED AS PESTS! ROB Edited June 29, 2005 by roblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 i aint advocaiting shooting hares with a 177 i think a haire is to large but a lot of people under estimate this calibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badsworth Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hares are not PROTECTED - but they are Game, and you need a game licence to shoot them . You can get one from the Post Office - but they run from 1st August to 31st July - so now would be a dumb time to get one. They cannot be post dated. And I agree with the others - don't use an airgun on them. Badsworth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Even with .22 rimfire you need hollow points to kill a hare cleanly with anything other than a good headshot. Unfortunately, I discoverd this from practical experience. That's a 40 grain bullet travelling at 1090 fps, and they'll still lope off unless it's a hollow point. Unless the creature is within ten yards and you can wack it between the eyes and ear, don't even think about it. I shoot on a farm where there are about twenty hares, but they are like pets to the farmer. Consequently, I regularly find them sitting until I'm literally right on top of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riothedog Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I went out for a drive last night. With my shotgun, lamp and labrador and took out 23 rabbits and 2 hares. Took 3 hours around to do - no wind and a thunderstorm looming. Hares are a problem if they are causing damage. Otherwise, I would leave them alone and yes, they are big tough *******. Good eating though... RTD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Legal or not personally I think shooting Hares with an airgun is abhorent (it's not a humane killer for such an animal, they can carry one hell of a load of shot and do) and this is NOT the time of year to be doing so! Respect your quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) Leave the hares alone They are magical, mystical creatures and if you shoot them you will be cursed................................... PP Edited June 30, 2005 by Mr Pieman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Pieman, I could take you to dozens of Veg farmers who would disagree with you on that one. Mind you at 30p per plant you can understand why! Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLTA Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hi, PLAIN STUPIDITY to take hares with a sub 12 ft/lbs airgun and this also goes for a 30 ft/lbs FAC airgun. They DO NOT have the power for clean kills on hares. If anyone want to shoot hares with airguns then either get a heavy power big bore airgun or at least get an airgun around 80 ft/lbs or more in .22, .25 or higher calibre. With such airgun you shouldn´t have any problems with penetration plus you will get enough expansion of the pellet/bullet to get the clean kill. Cheers - Bolta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 (edited) Good eating though... RTD And ain't that the truth. Edited July 4, 2005 by Evilv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_whitson Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I prefer roast saddle of hare to roast beef. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a nicer meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 To all those saying shooting a hare with 12 ftlbs is abhorent cruel unsporting etc please clarify why because when i have shot them with .177 out to 40m they drop stone dead. granted thats head shots every time but in my opinion if you cant acheive a head shot every time at 40m then stick to paper until you can. For those doubters next time you get a hare with a body shot!! place it out at 40m put somthing behind its head such as paper to show penetration and see how you get on. If you have a more apropriate weapon great but not every one is that lucky to have a huge arsenal at their disposal. Personaly I have other options available to me but as a youngster it was the trusty air rifle. I dont think it makes me a bad person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Personally, I think it makes you a very bad person Or are you just living up to your handle? Not everyone who shoots is that great a shot and I'm willing to bet YOU don't hit the mark every time so you shouldn't encourage others to try for it. It's like those ten gallon hat boys on here who claim to shoot deer at 300m etc, it ain't necessary, it shows a distinct lack of fieldcraft and it's bloody dangerous. I still say an airgun isn't the right tool for this particular job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I went out for a drive last night. With my shotgun, lamp and labrador and took out 23 rabbits and 2 hares. Took 3 hours around to do - no wind and a thunderstorm looming. Hares are a problem if they are causing damage. Otherwise, I would leave them alone and yes, they are big tough *******. Good eating though... RTD Lamping hares.... Oh dear ! I can't say 100% but i think that has been deamed to be very naughty . Take a peek here .. http://www.basc.org.uk/content/lampingpractice all the best yis yp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I fully beleive that if you cant get a head shot every time in practice at 40m you should not be shooting. I dont beleive this to be an extrodinary feet of riflemanship. At nearly 60 my old man can still hit the eye 99 out of 100 times at 40m now that is somthing a bit special. To my mind dead is dead and if you are confident you can guarantee that you have shown your quarey respect that it deserves!! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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