Desiato Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I have for some time been considering , who if any of our organisations truly represents us ? The whole debacle over Lead Ammunition has left me with grave doubts about the BASC The Countryside Alliance is a diminishing organisation , with little or no regional representation and an even smaller interest in shooting. Who then will be our voice both regionally and in the corridors of power ! Shooting is facing many issues from many different directions , who then can we trust our beloved sport to during these difficult times. Would love to hear others opinions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 We haven't heard your opinion yet. What is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 What is BASC not doing and why is the CA a diminishing organization?. Their regional rep in my area is on the ball and was it not them who introduced the game to eat initiative amongst other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Other than the fact that the CA in the shape of Sir Barney served us well over the LAG situation, I know little about it. After half a lifetime I left BASC a while back for two reasons. I am confident that for one of the reasons, very few will share my opinion whether out of the belief that I'm wrong or out of apathy - there's a lot of that about - so it's probably best to take that out of the equation. The other reason was, indeed, the LAG fiasco. Now the reason for this has been exposed and has been resolved within BASC itself, if not externally as yet, I think that that organisation for all general shooting matters serves us best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 My general feeling is that the BASC may well be the only organisation left capable of our defence , with Swifts hopeful demise they may be better placed to do so , but history will always concern me slightly . As for The CA , well Sir Barney resigned from the LAG along with others and quite rightly so , however it took far too long for them to come to that decision, the differences had been highlighted long before. The CA made all its regional representatives redundant a year ago and have pulled out of 80% of the regional shows they used to undertake , the belief being that all communication with its membership can be undertaken digitally , this I believe to be very misguided and given that BASC are increasing there regional shows and activities along with membership numbers all seems rather strange. Yes it's true to say that they introduced a successful promotion of game Through Game to Eat , but then so have the BASC and arguably to greater effect. As I have to throw my hat into the ring , it will be with BASC ( which until recently I would not have dreamt of saying ), I believe that with Tim Bonner in charge of the CA there only remit will be in relation to the hunting act , with little or know attention paid to shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 No sweeping generalisations there. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 My general feeling is that the BASC may well be the only organisation left capable of our defence , with Swifts hopeful demise they may be better placed to do so , but history will always concern me slightly . As for The CA , well Sir Barney resigned from the LAG along with others and quite rightly so , however it took far too long for them to come to that decision, the differences had been highlighted long before. The CA made all its regional representatives redundant a year ago and have pulled out of 80% of the regional shows they used to undertake , the belief being that all communication with its membership can be undertaken digitally , this I believe to be very misguided and given that BASC are increasing there regional shows and activities along with membership numbers all seems rather strange. Yes it's true to say that they introduced a successful promotion of game Through Game to Eat , but then so have the BASC and arguably to greater effect. As I have to throw my hat into the ring , it will be with BASC ( which until recently I would not have dreamt of saying ), I believe that with Tim Bonner in charge of the CA there only remit will be in relation to the hunting act , with little or know attention paid to shooting. Don't let history concern you , history is just that something in the past , we don't all still have air raid shelters down the bottom of the garden do we. I am a member of BASC through my wildfowling clubs but I was also a member before I joined them and will still be a member once I am too old for the fowling . Sure there are some other organisations that have something to offer but as a complete package I cannot see past BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Well Gordon R instead of sniping , give us your no doubt considered opinion if you can muster one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Don't let history concern you , history is just that something in the past , we don't all still have air raid shelters down the bottom of the garden do we. I am a member of BASC through my wildfowling clubs but I was also a member before I joined them and will still be a member once I am too old for the fowling . Sure there are some other organisations that have something to offer but as a complete package I cannot see past BASC. Thanks for that considered response Fennboy , have re joined BASC as I spk , cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Desatio - your cheap sarcasm is wasted on me. You post a load of junk and then grumble at replies. Just about sums you up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Desatio - your cheap sarcasm is wasted on me. You post a load of junk and then grumble at replies. Just about sums you up.It's funny how others manage to post some form of intellectual reply to what was a genuine post , with the exception of yourself who can obviously only manage pathetic abuse .I think that tells us all we need to know about you and I would suspect most things of substance would be wasted on you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 “In God we Trust”, all else are self-interest groups that worship subscriptions/donations but all have their believers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 “In God we Trust”, all else are self-interest groups that worship subscriptions/donations but all have their believers! How very true , but I think most join out of necessity rather than belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 they are all there, but if it cost them a lot of money to get us out the ****, then they will dump us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 they are all there, but if it cost them a lot of money to get us out the ****, then they will dump us. I think most of the bigger players lose sight of what they are ! I'e membership based organisations , they seem to forget that without our subscriptions they would cease to exist. All too concerned about there own standing rather than the position of there members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I am a member of both BASC and the GWCT. I've not yet had to rely on their services with regards to insurances and services as of yet, and hopefully I won't. I don't mind providing a little money towards these organisations because they provide me with a little peace of mind and also support shooting to one extent or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 How very true , but I think most join out of necessity rather than belief Believers = Converts and reverts, “Necessity is the Mother of Invention”, and is oftentimes blindsided by an organization’s as advertised intentions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I want to spend my time shooting and go on doing it. I want some one or some organisation to look out for my interest as i don't have the time or inclination beyond the odd petition to make an effort. I buy that effort through BASC who might not do everything the way i want but I am sure they do the best they can with the resources they have. I know they face many challenges often driven by political dogma, ideology and vote winning catch phrase politics against which they make a considerable effort for our voice to be heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Desiato, To quote you - "All too concerned about their own standing rather than the position of there (their) members". What exactly does that mean please mate? And can you give us an example. I have occasion to utilise the services of BASC on a regular basis. I find them hard to fault and they seem especially focussed on delivering what I want and what I need. I`ve never thought "Ha! They`re not paying attention to my requirements but are neglecting me to focus on their own standing." I look forward to reading your examples of their shortcomings. Should you not be able to provide any examples of their over weaning interest in their "own standing", I will be tempted to accuse you of being a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 By investing in our regional structure we hope to have much more fact to face contact with our membership. I am not saying for one moment that the use of digital media is not warranted, on the contrary, BASC will be using digital comms more and more, but at the end of the day we are members organisation, run by members for members, so it makes sense to us to try as much as possible to interact with members face to face. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 National Gamekeepers Organisation for me. They have a vested interest in protecting shooting for the benefit of their professional members and a 24 hour legal helpline. Previously been a CA member but felt out of place as I have no interest in fox hunting or knowing who attended grand charity balls. I'm not going to fault any other organisation I know nothing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 BASC for me, they at the very least are proactive with regards our sport / sports. I don't however understand the BASC 'bashing' that sometimes appears on PW, if you don't like em don't join em! Simples! I only wish the NFU was half as proactive and vocal as BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 BASC are our only hope ! No organisation will satisfy everyone but BASC have the infrastructure to fight our foes imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Desiato, To quote you - "All too concerned about their own standing rather than the position of there (their) members". What exactly does that mean please mate? And can you give us an example. I have occasion to utilise the services of BASC on a regular basis. I find them hard to fault and they seem especially focussed on delivering what I want and what I need. I`ve never thought "Ha! They`re not paying attention to my requirements but are neglecting me to focus on their own standing I look forward to reading your examples of their shortcomings. Should you not be able to provide any examples of their over weaning interest in their "own standing", I will be tempted to accuse you of being a troll. Ok , example as requested , in attempt to show they could work with any political party ( Labour) and to prove they could control the shooting community' , they tried long and hard to instigate a ban on raised laying cages , this flew in the face of all other shooting related organisations , the only people to benefit from this would have been BASC.If you care to go back in time you will find that they were only to willing to advise there membership to prepare for a total ban on lead shot , again in an attempt to prove there position as the Governing body of our sport and without any real concern about how it would affect its membership. There are many other examples I can give should you so wish. It may surprise you to learn that I am a BASC member and for that reason will voice an opinion as and when I see fit . And I would suggest you leave the Troll term out of any future posts ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiato Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 BASC are our only hope ! No organisation will satisfy everyone but BASC have the infrastructure to fight our foes imho. I do believe you are right and I hope that now John Swift is no longer an influence , it will get stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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