WHY HAVE A RIMFIRE

[peek-at]

guys,

 

i have had an FAC air rifle for a while and find it a pleasure to use and it is ideal on all of my permissions.

 

However......... Like a kid in a sweet shop i have got a hankerin' for a .22 rimmy just for the sake of it.

 

I am trying to use logic to talk myself out of it ie

 

A - it will need a lot more cleaning than the air rifle

B - I only have one permission on which I could use it

C - it will be more expensive to run

 

 

can you guys help me out? what do you think?

 

[Paddy Galore!]

hello chap, firstly you shouldn't clean a 22lr barrel, just like an air rifle barrel the lead deposits aid accuracy.

second, you can always get more permission, and once you buy the gun you won't want to put it down.

finally, 22 rimfire ammo isn't that expensive, 22lr blazers for target practice will set you back about £4 per hundred, HP subs are a little more at about £6.50-£7 per hundred.

[casts_by_fly]

why? Because everyone should have a 22RF. Everyone.

 

So you've got an FAC air rifle. I'll assume it is a 22. That will be good for what, 50 yards with no crosswind before you really have to take trajectory into account? Then you have to fill it back up how often?

 

With a 22LR and subs, zero at 50-60 yards and you hold on a rabbits head the entire way. Shoot to 100 yards reliably without wind. No cleaning needed (mine's never been cleaned from new and I've put a lot through it). Still silent like an air rifle (with a mod and subs).

 

Yeah, pellets are cheaper than rounds, but not by a whole lot. last I bought a tin you were looking at £7 or so for 250 (maybe 500)? Consider the price difference in the gun between an AA410 FAC and an inexpensive 22LR and you have to shoot a LOT of pellets to make up the dif.

 

Thanks

Rick

[fullbore]

Because I can! Seemples

[rimfire4969]

I won't talk you out of it, i what suggest you get one. You will not look back everyone should have a 22lr.

[humperdingle]

A - it will need a lot more cleaning than the air rifle Not really... Perhaps the opposite!

B - I only have one permission on which I could use it Better than none!

C - it will be more expensive to run Marginally, but think of the hassle of filling-up air, and consistency issues

[mattslaptop247]

I dont have a fac yet so forgive me for sounding daft, but do you need to have 2 pemissins for a fac?

[Ozzy Fudd]

A - it will need a lot more cleaning than the air rifle - definitely not

B - I only have one permission on which I could use it - get more

C - it will be more expensive to run - £6 for 100 remington target rounds?

 

 

add to that the fact you can push the range out to at least double that of your air rifle, you dont need to worry about recharging it with air, and youll increase your power unbelievably (i think at 100 yards a 22 still has over 100ft/lb energy).

 

plus you can get semi autos with hi capacity mags

 

hope i talked you out of it

[Thumpersniper]

why? Because everyone should have a 22RF. Everyone.

 

So you've got an FAC air rifle. I'll assume it is a 22. That will be good for what, 50 yards with no crosswind before you really have to take trajectory into account? Then you have to fill it back up how often?

 

With a 22LR and subs, zero at 50-60 yards and you hold on a rabbits head the entire way. Shoot to 100 yards reliably without wind. No cleaning needed (mine's never been cleaned from new and I've put a lot through it). Still silent like an air rifle (with a mod and subs).

 

Yeah, pellets are cheaper than rounds, but not by a whole lot. last I bought a tin you were looking at £7 or so for 250 (maybe 500)? Consider the price difference in the gun between an AA410 FAC and an inexpensive 22LR and you have to shoot a LOT of pellets to make up the dif.

 

Thanks

Rick

 

i'l second everything there! air rifles are great too, but ive hardly used mine after having a rimfire. Its perfect for rabbits and i find loading slugs into magazines fiddly in the cold/dark. Theres a .22rf for sale for £50 in the for sale section with two mags, i bet its still more accurate and effective than your air rifle at 100yds, on the other hand your air rifle will be better for close range work maybe....

[Paddy Galore!]

I dont have a fac yet so forgive me for sounding daft, but do you need to have 2 pemissins for a fac?

 

 

you don't need any permissioned land to gain an FAC, just join a target club..

[kyska]

I've not looked back after getting rimmies, I still keep my air for tree/top of barn work, but in the field, air doesn't come close, you'll not notice the difference in price unless you shoot serious amounts of .22lr.

 

And Matt, no, just one permission, with police clearance is good to go with FAC.

[Paddy Galore!]

Winnie subs are 100 ft/lbs at the muzzle babbyc, @ 100yds it drops down to about 60, which is still twice as much as an AA s410 at the muzzle..

I've taken rabbits out @ 200yds + with a subsonic off a bipod, not sure if a slug from an fac air rifle would reach that.

get one you know it makes sense...

[Ozzy Fudd]

Winnie subs are 100 ft/lbs at the muzzle babbyc, @ 100yds it drops down to about 60, which is still twice as much as an AA s410 at the muzzle..

I've taken rabbits out @ 200yds + with a subsonic off a bipod, not sure if a slug from an fac air rifle would reach that.

get one you know it makes sense...

 

true, but (and just checking the ballistic calculator...) the rounds i use are remington yellow jackets (muzzle 164.8ft/lb, 100yd 96.2ft/lb), and remington target (muzzle 117.5ft/lb, 100 yd 80.5ft/lb), so although not over 100ft/lb still very close!

 

dont know about subs, my gun doesnt like anything with a muzzle velocity of less than 1100 fps

Edited January 26, 2010 by babbyc1000

[MM]

i nearly bought an FAC air rifle as my first on ticket gun, but i was advised to buy a 22lr. As we talked about them last night, its the most fun you can have with your clothes on. :oops:

[Paddy Galore!]

supersonic! that explains it babbyc, Thats another thing about .22lr, the choice of ammo

[peek-at]

Well................ Thanks for talking me out of it guys!

 

I guess this kids going to the sweety shop.

 

cheers

[albob]

lot of 22lr`s are lighter than air rifles..

no seals to blow.

you can walk further away from your filling bottle.

less cleaning than an air rifle

you can use cb shorts for close work(30ftlbs,as opposed to subs at 85ftlbs>)

mags are easy to fill in dark and with cold fingers.

cheaper to buy

 

 

what more can you say to get you to not get one

al

[richie223]

if you want a rimmy,dont get a .22lr,get yourself a nice 17 hmr and be done with it :oops much better than a .22lr a bit more expensive to run but better. i am now bracing myself for a beating from the.22 clang lol

[kyska]

if you want a rimmy,dont get a .22lr,get yourself a nice 17 hmr and be done with it :oops much better than a .22lr a bit more expensive to run but better. i am now bracing myself for a beating from the.22 clang lol

 

Nah, just get both.

[albob]

if you want a rimmy,dont get a .22lr,get yourself a nice 17 hmr and be done with it :oops much better than a .22lr a bit more expensive to run but better. i am now bracing myself for a beating from the.22 clang lol

 

 

you sir are a ..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i did get the hmr first and the 22lr was neglected but,i got into the 22lr and i really like it but,i agree and get both if you can.

al

Edited January 26, 2010 by albob

[Ozzy Fudd]

if you want a rimmy,dont get a .22lr,get yourself a nice 17 hmr and be done with it :oops much better than a .22lr a bit more expensive to run but better. :o i am now bracing myself for a beating from the.22 clang :o lol

 

im gonna disagree, though im waiting on the licence coming for my .17hmr - and im not a klan member, thats lee

 

though i have to say im glad i started with a 22lr, by trying to get the most out of it ive learnt an awful lot. plus theres alot of fun in seeing who can empty a 30 round mag the quickest

[Dekers]

hello chap, firstly you shouldn't clean a 22lr barrel, just like an air rifle barrel the lead deposits aid accuracy.

second, you can always get more permission, and once you buy the gun you won't want to put it down.

finally, 22 rimfire ammo isn't that expensive, 22lr blazers for target practice will set you back about £4 per hundred, HP subs are a little more at about £6.50-£7 per hundred.

 

 

It's a free world and everyone in entitled to an opinion but I struggle with that one.

 

Never ever, have I heard anyone say the lead deposits aid accuracy, I simply can't believe you were serious when you said that!

 

Back in my Team days with the .22lr I probably spent more time cleaning it than shooting it. The propellant is filthy as well and every serious competition shooter cleans their gun/s!!

 

In addition there are a vast variety of copper coats now, and although none of these hit centrefire speeds they still leave deposits along the barrel! (especially if you try and empty a 30 shot magazine in record time!!)

 

Cheers

 

PS

Many people have a place for .22lr and HMR! ...and I have a place for the WMR on top of both

[albob]

It's a free world and everyone in entitled to an opinion but I struggle with that one.

 

Never ever, have I heard anyone say the lead deposits aid accuracy, I simply can't believe you were serious when you said that!

 

Back in my Team days with the .22lr I probably spent more time cleaning it than shooting it. The propellant is filthy as well and every serious competition shooter cleans their gun/s!!

 

In addition there are a vast variety of copper coats now, and although none of these hit centrefire speeds they still leave deposits along the barrel! (especially if you try and empty a 30 shot magazine in record time!!)

 

Cheers

 

 

have you noticed how much target shooters clean their guns compared to hunters?

if i clean my 22lr which i use for hunting all the time and i have to lead the gun up,as the zero does change,until several shots later it is spot on and i do not clean it again until it loses zero.

also have you noticed that a cleaned moderator needs the same thing done to it...ie,it gets quieter as shots are put through it.

target shootershave their reasons but,i cannot answer that.

you will find that hunters do not go to the same regime of cleaning as target shooters and it works for either.

al

Edited January 26, 2010 by albob

[Sqwelchy]

Kind of want one myself now after reading this

 

Can you keep them in the same cabinet as a shotgun or do you have to get another one?

[berthaboo]

you can keep then in the same just need another small one for ammo and bolt unless it has a locking top

 

 

on the cleaning of your 22lrs i never clean mine once in a blue moon but i did read or get told which makes sense really but the only way your barrel will ever be the same is by cleaning it ie after one shot its dirty add another and its got even more dirty but if you cleaned it after every round its the closest it can get to being the same and with shooting consistency is the main point ?