fortune82 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 What would you do in the following situation? Every year me and a few mates take a driven day up in Scotland. Last year a mate of a mate who we all know was shooting. It was a 200 bird day between 10 guns so 20 ish birds each give or take a few. Anyway at the end of the day the keeper springs a bag on us of 296 birds!!! Turn out this mate of a mate had killed 14 on the first drive and carried on all day. As it was a woodland shoot we could not see each other well. This year my reaction is not to go on the shoot if he is there. But then again I dont want to miss out catching up with mates. My other thought was to put a "loader" with him to count his birds and make him pay the going rate! What do you reckon? Was he out of order or should we just accept it? He was given a right ####ing by us all last year but I reckon a repeat wouldnt be out the ordinary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 ask your mate not to invite his mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 ask your mate not to invite his mate. Easier said than done. Its sort of a re-union shoot once a year! Hence why I dont want to miss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Get him watched and have a clicker in your pocket. Oh and tell him to bring a ******* bankers draft with him this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Get him watched and have a clicker in your pocket. Oh and tell him to bring a ******* bankers draft with him this time I was thinking about only giving him 75 cartridges! Or 75 real ones and the rest loaded with flour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 He wants warning that if it happens again he will be well out of pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 I am actually thinking about rigging the draw for pegs so hes out of the action for most of the day. If memory serves me well he reckons he shot over 90 birds last year. Cock! Any ideas on how to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) How much did it cost you? And did he understand the rules? How about suggesting you pay pro rata? Tell everybody its £x up to 20 birds and then £Y for every bird you shoot after that. And make sure thats understood before you go. He may be loaded and be quite happy with that. He had a great day's shooting if he downed 90 birds, ( good shot too) its only fair he should pay for it. Edited September 2, 2010 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ive seen this happen so many times before,and now I wont shoot with a stranger or someone thats introduced by a keeper,unless he is on a seperate agreement,it upsets a lot of people but hey were not all millionaires.have a word with the guys your shooting with and split the birds your there to shoot,make an agreement if anyone goes over their target they pay for it themselves,if this guy doesnt agree tell him to sod off and find another syndicate,he is after all spending everyone elses hard earned cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) How much did it cost you? And did he understand the rules? About £750 each! £250 more than I thought! Personally on all the other driven days I have been on the keeper has given us a heads up when the bag limit is close. I was a bit ****** off at him as well. He is actually a good guy just seems to get a bit trigger happy and then not realise the problem he causes when all is done and dusted. If it was any other day I would drop out but it is all mates from school and I only see some once a year on this shoot. The guy in question is a mate of a few of the guns and they also only see each other now and again. Edited September 2, 2010 by fortune82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 That's just plain bad manners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 balls to that. Id tell him to watch it, and if the dummy goes, he aint a mate to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Keeper should keep you up date on the bag if you are getting up to the numbers agreed on doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I had the same on a day meant to be 200 and this **** shot 15 on the first drive and not good birds, result being at 11am we had 160 in the bag fortunately the keeper then kept us in quieter areas and we did extend it a bit but in your case I'd have been getting pretty upset with him. Having a greedy gun is a big issue and why I pick pretty carefully who I shoot with on days like this as it ruins the day entirely for me, I'd be talking to the other guns as they can't be happy about it and seeing if you can get him uninvited. Making him pay for birds will ruin the whole day IMHO as its the sort of day you take on trust and also take the rough with the smooth anyway, we all know you have good days and you have bad ones counting birds then the count not adding up etc just adds agro to a day that is about enjoying yourself. In my case I didn't go with the group again and actually left straight after rather than staying I was that ****** off, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Just gotta explain it all to the guy,loud enough for all to hear,and have a counter as suggested. It does ruin things for others,but there's always agro when a new face comes on the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 £250 over for ten shooters is £2,500. Thats a lot for an excess of 96 birds. Over £25 a bird. I would have thought you could get a better price than that for a day out. I thought "overs" were about £10 a bird, maybe I'm living in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 £250 over for ten shooters is £2,500. Thats a lot for an excess of 96 birds. Over £25 a bird. I would have thought you could get a better price than that for a day out. I thought "overs" were about £10 a bird, maybe I'm living in the past. £38 + vat per bird on some of the bigger shoots. Personally I'd ask the keeper to give a shout when you are nearing the bag, I'd also have a "round robin" amongst the other guns that you will divide any "overs" based on individual bags... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Easier said than done. Its sort of a re-union shoot once a year! Hence why I dont want to miss it. if it's a reunion, of mates, and he's not a mate in the mates renuion tell your mate to tell his mate to stay at home.. cheers mate!! lol BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 You need to establish the rules at the start of the Day by addressing all the guns as a group and tell them to keep tabs on their own kills. that way you wont single him out..... but he will get the message. I find that sort of thing very bad manners and completely ungentlemanly... If that doesnt work ive got a cracking Hickory baseball bat you can borrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 That's all down to the keeper. if you book a 200 bird day when the bag is reached he should have given you the option to carry on at £££££ per bird or stop. If the birds tis fella was shooting were sporting and he shot what come he was just on te right peg. Many of the shoots I go on half the guns can't shoot so the better shots are expected to shoot more to reach the bag, nothing worse than paying for a 200 bird day and only getting 150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 I've only ever shot one formal Pheasant day but on that we all knew the score at the start. I was the new boy in an already established group in that situation. It was very clear to me how many birds there were to be shot and how many of us there were. That made it obvious that we had roughly a set figure to shoot each. Not being that well tuned to game shooting I had a very good peg on the first drive and shot quite a few, but nowhere near my limit. I just held back on all but the really tough birds after that and it was still a great day without going over. I think you all need to have a semi formal chat just with this guy and say that what he did last year isn't on. You wouldn't go to a pub together and all bung £20 behind the bar for him to turn up and drink £30 malts would you? It's the same thing. Just tell him if he goes way over bag this year the cost isn't being shared by the rest of you. Simply because until he turned up you all managed to work it fine because you knew the number you had as your fair share and stuck to that. It's a bit of a downer on the day but you shouldn't all have to be that much out of pocket to fund his day. More to the point, did he not offer to pay the excess when he figured out most of the over birds were his? :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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