Zapp Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 A view on what? Aid? Korean-ish families? Mud huts? Ninja wives? I dont really have the energy tbh, so meh, whatever, I will just go with the flow. Please delete as appropriate: Send 'em all back/bring back hanging/they were proper cars in my day/kids these days have no respect/why cant music these days have a nice tune instead of all that shouting and noise/make the punishment fit the crime/I'm not racist but... /send them over to Iraq with a rifle/bring back national service/etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 gixer can you ride one of them in Aberdeen up Union street in the snow is it the 750 Nope And nope, but your knowledge is impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) A view on what? Aid? Korean-ish families? Mud huts? Ninja wives? I dont really have the energy tbh, so meh, whatever, I will just go with the flow. Please delete as appropriate: Send 'em all back/bring back hanging/they were proper cars in my day/kids these days have no respect/why cant music these days have a nice tune instead of all that shouting and noise/make the punishment fit the crime/I'm not racist but... /send them over to Iraq with a rifle/bring back national service/etc etc. like i said, close the door, and let em get on with it. Edited September 29, 2010 by MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter1968 Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 For 15 years no one was bothered exept the people whio benefit now. Maybe in the next 15 years more people will care about there own kind, & vote a party that really cares , about the resident native Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Nope And nope, but your knowledge is impressive! I got one word for you, well it's a number: 7 Shake it baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Gixer1, what does your hahahah in bliss comment actually mean? lost me completely there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 How have you determined the truth of this statement? Were they there before you? If not, I find it difficult to believe that they would be sent in first. I also find it hard to believe that they would turn away a young girl in pain without referring you to somewhere else that could help as emergency services operate 24hr. How did you know none of them spoke English? Did you speak to them or was it just that they didn't speak to each other in English? I think your confused. It wasnt an A&E job,my girl was admitted to a ward for day surgery and i spent 6 hours sitting in this ward and about 5 hours of that with these people.I came to the conclusion that they couldnt speak english after about 3 nurses and a doctor tried to communicate with them and at one point one nurse drew some pictures on a bit of paper for them. Find it hard to believe all you like, it happened. She has had the surgery today and it went well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Amazing, you assume so much eh ? Did you talk to them, find out what their problems are ? and to assume that it was cosmetic rather than to alleviate pain shows what a real humanitarian you are, yes it is hard to be tolerant if your nearest and dearest are in pain, but what you write beggars belief. Wow, yet another assumption, or are you now a mind reader as well as a cosmetic surgeon ? Sorry for the tangent to the OP but some things need to be addressed at source I always find what you write to beggar belief,so you see we finally do have something in common I couldnt talk to them as they couldnt understand english. Dont want to know their problems. My assumption they were there for cosmetic surgery was based on the nurse saying to them "you are here to see a cosmetic surgeon"very slowly and the way british people speak to foriegners that cant speak english and then trying to explain that to them with pointing and even at one point with pictures.... So not as many assumptions as you would like to believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Can we get back to the main topic please, ie foreign aid payemnts, as opposed to arguing over percieved unfairness in the apportionment of UK public services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Yes the op was will anyone help out the uk after were a third world country. Well I refer to my earlier,how many non christian aid agency's are there? Non that I can think of. So in short if this country does descend into chaos or worse a second civil war will anyone intervene? I doubt it. Any country is only 3 meals away from chaos, rioting, war. we are already seeing many food riots throughout the world,with food cost going up the future of my children worries me deeply. And worries me that as seems with all great civilisations they desttroy themselves almost overnight at what seems the pinnacle of their achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 ,how many non christian aid agency's are there? Non that I can think of. Muslim Aid Islamic Aid there's two Islamic ones to start you off. http://www.africaguide.com/charity.htm on that list maybe a dozen are Christian, the rest are non-religious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Muslim AidIslamic Aid there's two Islamic ones to start you off. http://www.africaguide.com/charity.htm on that list maybe a dozen are Christian, the rest are non-religious nick,all those charities seem to be in the uk. When I said non christian,I should have said non western based charities,ie a charity not in a predominately traditional christian country. All these are undoubtedly good causes by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) Rather than send aid money, we should raid Tottenham High Road and scoop up all the old Mercs and BMWs and ship them out to Africa gratis; first off we will get a load of uninsured death traps of our roads and second off the despotic leaders will have to "restore" the cars they want rather than just buy them new - it's like a matched donation then. I get the point of sending aid with strings attached to it, but if you google african leader aid money and mercedes there's a few articles out there to keep you busy for this morning. I think of myself as a fairly average chap and I have to say that I am now almost completely "foreign aid appeal blind". It's like a form of snow blindness - the constant never ending barrage of appeals has just left me blind to them all. And at the back of my mind is the strongest feeling of nausia when multi billion dollar earning popstars and moviestars tell me they want my money. Mind you, if they want to sell everything they own and get down to average Joe's net worth and then ask for a donation...... Edited September 30, 2010 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 nick,all those charities seem to be in the uk. When I said non christian,I should have said non western based charities,ie a charity not in a predominately traditional christian country. All these are undoubtedly good causes by the way. I suppose the red crescent could be described as muslim based Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I suppose the red crescent could be described as muslim basedits the same organisation as the red cross,only a cross would be offensive to islam,so in those countries they use the crescent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 so why send UKPLC tax handouts to corrupt despots Pav, I forget the exact figure, £10M per year I think, but the UK government donates money for education direct to NGO's in Kenya thereby bypassing the government corruption. It is not the fault of the average Kenyan that their government is so corrupt. There is hope though in the moves afoot under the new constitution that is being built - federalism should address some aspects of centralised government corruption. It won't solve all such problems but should better benefit the vast majority rather than the one ruling tribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I suppose the red crescent could be described as muslim based No it couldn't. The Red Cross / Crescent is a non-religious organisation and do/will not descriminate based on religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Pav,I forget the exact figure, £10M per year I think, but the UK government donates money for education direct to NGO's in Kenya thereby bypassing the government corruption. It is not the fault of the average Kenyan that their government is so corrupt. There is hope though in the moves afoot under the new constitution that is being built - federalism should address some aspects of centralised government corruption. It won't solve all such problems but should better benefit the vast majority rather than the one ruling tribe. As I have said before Raja you and ecoboy can give all you wish that is yours to give personnally i am sick of not having the choice no matter who is in power they give my and everyone else money (lots of it) funny thnig is the guys dishing out our cash have more than you and i will ever have and dont see the effect every £7.50 goodwill gesture they make has on joe public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 personally Pav I'd be more worried how many 100's of your tax goes on dole bludgers and social housing for those with no intention of getting a job before worring about helping stop people dieing. I get no say on whether I want to pay for people not to work and I'm sure you're the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) I'd rather get 12% of my council tax back and stop funding the Scottish. flame suit on....lol Edited September 30, 2010 by J@mes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I'd rather get 12% of my council tax back and stop funding the Scottish. flame suit on....lol is that the 12% that had to go on the overspend on building them a parliment building that is of absolutely no consequence to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) personally Pav I'd be more worried how many 100's of your tax goes on dole bludgers and social housing for those with no intention of getting a job before worring about helping stop people dieing. I get no say on whether I want to pay for people not to work and I'm sure you're the same Spot on amigo, spot on What we fork out internationally is loose change compared to the money we waste domestically on scroungers and general bureaucracy. The notion that charity starts at home is fine with me but let's get an appropriate sense of perspective here. If this country is going to the dogs it has far more to do with what goes on here than it does in the undeveloped world. Going back to the point I made previously on ignorance; a famous phrase from Eric Hoffer sums things up pretty well "In times of change the learners will inherit the earth, while the knowers will find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists". It should be clear to most of us that we are in a period of significant global change - you can work out the rest ... Edited September 30, 2010 by Raja Clavata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 As I said at the start of the thread, our own benefit system costs 150Billion a year. I bet £100Billion of that could be saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 As I said at the start of the thread, our own benefit system costs 150Billion a year. I bet £100Billion of that could be saved. I can save 1/2 bil in a heart beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I'd rather get 12% of my council tax back and stop funding the Scottish. flame suit on....lol No worries, we`ll just keep the oil and gas then .....and when you run out of water in the summer we may let you have some of ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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