Dekers Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) I guess you could say I'm sitting on the fence with this one, I agree with Frenchieboy and dazza...give em a ####ing in a PM and hope the thread gets edited quick! Edited November 14, 2010 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 When you pick up a gun you should know the laws. agree 100% but i dont and not scared to ask if i dont ask ill never know, i didnt know you couldnt do that after dark :yp: ,doesnt make me and bad lad not knowing if any one new me would back me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I am not condoning breaking the law, especially when you post it on an open forum. Yes, if you are going to pick up a gun you should know the law first, I am most certainly not disputing that. What I am saying is that when a member posts something up that is obviously wrong (Or illegal) wouldn't it be a lot better for all concerned to contact the OP by PM and point out the mistake (Giving them a chance to ammend or delete the offending post) rather than just diving on them like a pack of hungry wolves! Did the more experienced of us learn by being shouted at and insulted when we got it wrong? No, I think not, the way to educate and help people to learn and advance is by talking to them and explaining what was wrong and trying to advise them on how things should be done in the correct way. We don't have to be rude to correct someone, especially when our sport is under such public scrutiny, we should be sticking together and trying to help each other so that we can show others that we are responsible people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 it is not always a matter of law though, often it is a difference of opinion. There are two threads on the go at the moment for example http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/144989-a-morning-with-nothing-else-to-do/page__view__getnewpost__fromsearch__1 and http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/144971-what-braindead-idiot/page__view__getnewpost__fromsearch__1 If the members on one where to follow their line to a logical conclusion the members on the other would all be walking funny for a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Beast Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 When you pick up a gun you should know the laws. ....and you knew it all before you picked up a gun for the 1st time??? aye right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) surely if someone is not 100% sure in what they've done or want to do.it's better to guide them,than to slate them for asking on an open forum? Edited November 14, 2010 by pegleg31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 ....and you knew it all before you picked up a gun for the 1st time??? aye right I knew what I could and couldn't shoot and when I could and couldn't shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) I understand why you cant shoot partridges at night, but WHY NOT pigeons? Ive been lamping and seen hundreds of them fly out over my head, easily recognisable as pigeons, they would be fun to shoot with a shotty and lamp.................... :o Edited November 14, 2010 by Evil Elvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I do agree with the spirit of what Frenchie says, irrespective of the individual post or comment, there appears to be a few with an extremely superior and condescending view of others, waiting like wolves to pounce on the unsuspecting. All I will say is that the experienced shooter who thinks they have nothing to learn and everything to teach, is the most dangerous shooter of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I understand why you cant shoot partridges at night, but WHY NOT pigeons? I'm confused now. What did this guy shoot? Partridge or pigeon? Is the thread still on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I'm confused now. What did this guy shoot? Partridge or pigeon? Is the thread still on here? Both. Dunno if the thread is still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Both. Dunno if the thread is still here Cheers for that Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 name calling and stone throwing in my book aint the way to go. good advice is needed i agree with knowing the law like most of us would but it just aint nice to see the site heading the same way as the hunting life if you have some pionters on how to make lads better shooters then sure the advice is welcome but if not say to youself what a t**t and move on just dont bother making personal remarks cant see where it gets ya who wants a hug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I see there's a thread in another section regarding poaching of pheasants with air rifles at night. Some very aggressive replies on it it. Maybe the guys that are taking the pheasants don't know their doing wrong and just need a bit of friendly advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 On another shooting forum we had a guy that slagged everyone off knew all the ins and outs and generally tortured all newcomers to the point where youd love to smash him to bits if you met him,well I did meet him one day at the durham county show when he said he was going and wanted a meet up with any willing members,turns out he was 16 years old and all his answers came from the internet his experience was his dads tales and stories off his grandad and his arrogance was bravery from behind a keyboard,other members that met him couldnt believe he had the balls to turn up,my point being you never know who your talking to or getting your advice from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 poaching is for people who are not willing to take advice only risks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 What I am saying is that when a member posts something up that is obviously wrong (Or illegal) wouldn't it be a lot better for all concerned to contact the OP by PM and point out the mistake (Giving them a chance to ammend or delete the offending post) rather than just diving on them like a pack of hungry wolves! Well there is another way of looking at it. If someone posts about illegal activity on an open forum it could be used by non shooters as an example of all shooting people. If other forum members then tear the poster off a strip it could be seen as 'self policing' by the more clued up members. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 On another shooting forum we had a guy that slagged everyone off knew all the ins and outs and generally tortured all newcomers to the point where youd love to smash him to bits if you met him,well I did meet him one day at the durham county show when he said he was going and wanted a meet up with any willing members,turns out he was 16 years old and all his answers came from the internet his experience was his dads tales and stories off his grandad and his arrogance was bravery from behind a keyboard,other members that met him couldnt believe he had the balls to turn up,my point being you never know who your talking to or getting your advice from. How true, and funny how its always the same people doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I do agree with the spirit of what Frenchie says, irrespective of the individual post or comment, there appears to be a few with an extremely superior and condescending view of others, waiting like wolves to pounce on the unsuspecting. All I will say is that the experienced shooter who thinks they have nothing to learn and everything to teach, is the most dangerous shooter of all. I'm with Frenchie on this one, and Pastie has summed it up nicely. Also a few posts back blunderbuss posted a well balanced reply. I have never met a shooter who did all the leg work first and then went out to try the sport. All the people I have shot with tried it first as raw green recruits. After getting the bug they then go out get more kit etc. and learn more. Those who encounter helpfull people on the way, continue shooting and learning. Those who get negative responses give it up or go it alone and make more mistakes. The number of posts on PW refrence who/how/can I etc. is a good indication as to the general knowledge of the law. And the replys are sometimes an eye opener too! As there as such big differences from county to county, newbies can be excused for not knowing the law inside out. Assistance and guidance is what is needed, not slating. ATB GSM As a foot note it is good to see there are some on here who do go the extra mile for the new shooters, and it is comendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhardup Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I didn't know what I was doing , so I went and got myself a teacher who I paid to give me the instruction I needed. He spent hrs every week telling me the ins and outs of the law, what I could and couldn't do and the best way to go about it. After about 16 weeks he said "that in his opinion" I was good enough to go out on my own, but first I must take a test, to prove that all that teaching had stuck in my thick head. I took my test and passed with flying colours. Dispite knowing the laws, and after all his careful instruction. Picture taken, fined and three points on my lience for speeding. No MOT,(my misstake) reported and let off Pulled over and given a talking to about how to deal with other idiots on the roads. We all know the laws regaurding driving, but which one of us has never broken the speed limit at one time or another. Who as never hope that the nice Mr policeman would listen and take pity on us for our MISSTAKE. One thing is for sure, it would not be me that cast the first stone, would it be you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) I see there's a thread in another section regarding poaching of pheasants with air rifles at night. Some very aggressive replies on it it. Maybe the guys that are taking the pheasants don't know their doing wrong and just need a bit of friendly advice That Dazza is a rediculous comparison and you know it! How can you possibly make any sort of comparison between what we are talking about and outright poachers and persistent law breakers? As a long standing Site Supporter I would have expected a little more common sense from you, unless you are one of those members that gets some sort of a kick out of trying to incite arguments? Edited November 14, 2010 by Frenchieboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) On another shooting forum we had a guy that slagged everyone off knew all the ins and outs and generally tortured all newcomers to the point where youd love to smash him to bits if you met him,well I did meet him one day at the durham county show when he said he was going and wanted a meet up with any willing members,turns out he was 16 years old and all his answers came from the internet his experience was his dads tales and stories off his grandad and his arrogance was bravery from behind a keyboard,other members that met him couldnt believe he had the balls to turn up,my point being you never know who your talking to or getting your advice from. Edited November 14, 2010 by chrispti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 If your unsure of the laws on what your shooting don't take the shot simples Follow that and you won't go far wrong If you do and make a post stating illegal activities be prepared for a bit of stick you deserve it in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I agree wholeheartedly with Dazza, if someone is A) able to breal the law by ignorance and B ) dumb enough to post what they have done on a public forum possibly damaging the sport of shooting in the process then they should get a slating. What makes things worse is when they retaliate as if they were in the right all along. As for the 704 yard hare, well that is beyond belief the ammount of support that idiot got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 The number of posts on PW refrence who/how/can I etc. is a good indication as to the general knowledge of the law. And the replys are sometimes an eye opener too! As there as such big differences from county to county, newbies can be excused for not knowing the law inside out. I'm afraid I can't agree with that. Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law, and it's imperitive, for everybodys sake, that everyone knows the law regarding the type of shooting they are participating in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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