old unlicsened gun

[Edward]

Hi

I have recently come into possesion of an old gun that that was amongst all of the grandad's stuff in his house, and it was forced upon me (you shoot dont you, here have this) and now im not quite sure what to do with it. by the looks of it its a rook rifle that has been bored out into a .22 shotgun. I don't want to license it because I can tell now that its not safe as the inside of the barrel looks like a ploughed field and the barrel is 22" long. So I want to get it de-activated and tidy it up for the wall. I have put a trigger lock onto it and locked it up in the cabinate.

 

What would be a rough cost to have it de activated?

[Doggone]

If I were you I would get it to an RFD asap for safe keeping, then worry about the cost of deactivation. Sorry to pee on your chips, but what you are doing at the moment is a jailable offence.

Andy

[fortune82]

I think your first problem is that you have an unlicensed firearm. It is classed as this as it has a 22" barrel. Any de-activation will need to be done by a gunsmith who will want to see the relevant paper work with the gun.

 

My first port of call would be a call to the local fire arms department to get the gun "legalised" first.

[njc110381]

I too would get onto your FEO ASAP! If you tell them that you've only just been made aware of the situation so have put the gun in your safe to keep it secure until you know what to do you should be in fairly good standing.

 

Yes it is an offence to have the gun but at the same time having taken the gun under your supervision as a certificate holder shouldn't bring you any bother. It should be easily sorted by your RFD as these things are not uncommon when an old relative passes away.

[Edward]

Oh dear :look: , I'll take it in first thing monday morning. to be fair the rozzers cant really bang me up for having it on a sunday when the shops shut and I have taken suitble precautions until then. Thanks for letting me know that

 

If it is deactivated would the be a form for it? because it has no serial No. no paperwork what so ever so it dosn't extist.

[Paul223]

bored out into a .22 shot gun? I think not! clean it up and have a good look at it first, i doubt it is .22, may be .25? ( in which case you may not need to have it de-ac, obsolete caliber )

 

don't be so quick to de-ac it or rfd it, find out what it is first there will be proof marks

strip it and clean the proof marks up, post close up pics on here someone will know what it is

[Greenhunter]

Having been down this road myself earlier this year I can tell you that in all probability your FEO will want it off you and scrap it.

What you need to do is get it to your RFD who can put it on his books.

This legalises it immediately. He can then sell it back to you (if its in proof that is)!

If not, he could deactivate it and then let you have it back.

I know nothing about obsolete calibers except that you don't need a license to own one.

I went through BASC and this is what happened to mine.

 

Be careful, it is a minefield with this sort of thing!!

 

GH

[Edward]

bored out into a .22 shot gun? I think not! clean it up and have a good look at it first, i doubt it is .22, may be .25? ( in which case you may not need to have it de-ac, obsolete caliber )

 

don't be so quick to de-ac it or rfd it, find out what it is first there will be proof marks

strip it and clean the proof marks up, post close up pics on here someone will know what it is

 

Ohh could be. its a rimfire so thats what made me think it. a .22 cleaning kit was very loose, I found a number on it, FL Something something 3, from what I can find its from Belgium and maybe black powder.

Picture of the breech incase any of you might be able to id it.

 

Really accurate measuement of the inside barrel. I have my uncles old 9mm cleaning kit and that wont fit in the breech or even in the muzzle so I dont think its a 9mm.

Edited December 4, 2010 by Edward

[Billy.]

bored out into a .22 shot gun? I think not!

 

You'll find that this is normal with some old guns. People convert old .22s into ratting guns. I was speaking to someone not long ago who had an o/u .22LR 20b and it was bored out to put rat shot into it.

 

...Also a handy way to have a rifle which goes on a SGC

[fluke2]

antique heres one the same warnant flobert check it out

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=202226613

[Paul223]

You'll find that this is normal with some old guns. People convert old .22s into ratting guns. I was speaking to someone not long ago who had an o/u .22LR 20b and it was bored out to put rat shot into it.

 

...Also a handy way to have a rifle which goes on a SGC

 

 

 

 

 

to my knowledge r and r's only go down to .25cal, so no chance of boring it down in size

Edited December 4, 2010 by Paul223

[Paul223]

antique heres one the same warnant flobert check it out

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=202226613

very similar

 

edward can you get the 'FL' part of the pic in better detail, it's partially obscured by the wood work

 

have a look at page 39 of the home office guidance

Edited December 4, 2010 by Paul223

[fortune]

 

im not quite sure what to do with it.

 

I don't want to license it because I can tell now that its not safe as the inside of the barrel looks like a ploughed field and the barrel is 22" long. So I want to get it de-activated and tidy it up for the wall.

 

DO NOT BE HASTY

DO NOT CONSULT FEO / FIREARMS DEPT YET.

IF YOUR IN THE **** ANOTHER DAY WONT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE

This rifle is an antique and is probably exempt as the cal COULD be obsolete, although I believe that one can still get ammunition like this from Italy.

DON’T ASK YOU LOCAL GUNSHOP AS THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO KNOW WHAT IT IS

FIRST CONSULT A KNOWLEDGABLE REPUTABLE DEALER.

SOMEONE LIKE THE PANTILES GUNSHOP IN TUNBRIDGE WELLS THAT DEAL IN SPECIALIST STUFF LIKE THIS OR HOLTS THE AUCTIONEERS.

THERE IS A SPECIALIST COLECTOR MARKET FOR STUFF LIKE THIS AND IT COULD BE WORTH A LOT OF MONEY.

IF IT WERE AN EXEMPT ANTIQUE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE YOUR GRANDADS OLD GUN TO HOLD AND ADMIRE.

I know of a gun like this that was found in an attic years ago and it looked rough but it cleaned up and restored very well and was put back on ticket. Turned out to be a select made Brown Bess black powder percussion musket made by Pape. Very nice special wood on it and the guy regularly uses it on ranges shooting paper targets.

[The Duncan]

Oh dear :look: , I'll take it in first thing monday morning. to be fair the rozzers cant really bang me up for having it on a sunday when the shops shut and I have taken suitble precautions until then. Thanks for letting me know that

I would get it to an rfd, then, when its safe and legal, tell the rozzers. Some unscrupulous forces would nick you and throw the book at you. Unfair, but true

[Edward]

I would get it to an rfd, then, when its safe and legal, tell the rozzers. Some unscrupulous forces would nick you and throw the book at you. Unfair, but true

Knowing the rozzers round me they would be down in 5 mins demarding it off me and chopping it up. I'll get it checked over first.

When I cleaned it some chunks of rust came out the barrel so it might cost a fair bit to repair, even if I have to have it deac its still nice to have

[Paul223]

I'll say it again have a look at page 39 of the home office guidance

 

get a better pic of the FL, we need to see what cal it is as it could be 8mm, as long as it is not 6mm i think from reading the HO guidance it should be ok off ticket

[masterzone2]

This is one of the exact reason why ALL FAC and SGC holders should have the right to deal with ANY firearms

left behind following a bereavement.

cannot see why it can't work my wife (according to my FLO) has the right to have an FAC/SGC should I drop

all of a sudden to deal with my firearms-think I am going to ask my lot about this when they pop by.

[Vince Green]

Its probably an old Rook rifle in which case it will be an obsolete calibre and exempt from licencing. It certainly looks like one. That should be your view on the matter. Don't go tripping along to the police with it because once they have got if off you they will never give it back.

[Paul223]

home office guidance

it's page 39 in the thumb nails, but page 34 by the page numbers :blink:

chapter 8, (8.5 and 8.6)

http://tna.europarchive.org/20100419081706/http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/HO-Firearms-Guidance2835.pdf?view=Binary

 

Vince apparently it's rimfire so most likely flobert, either 6mm or 8mm

Edited December 4, 2010 by Paul223

[Bazooka Joe]

The Crown with the letters E,L,G, star underneath

Used since 1893,

Proof house Liege

Definitive black powder proof for breech loading guns, small bore guns & handguns

 

The other proofmark has being used since 1853

Perron sole proof mark

Proof house Liege, used to indicate inspection or proof of breeching system.

 

The letter "C"with the star above it;

Controller of Proof Code

Brenu Louis 1924 - 1948

Francard Dieudonné 1959 - 1968

 

The FL +++ I'm sure is the caliber. & going by your picture it's near enough 8mm.

 

Can you get a more detailed picture up ?

[Edward]

Right Im fairly sure its an 8mm so and it was made 1924-1968 it proberly closer to 1924, so its an antique and dont need to licesnce it or deact it can I hang it on the wall??

[Sprackles]

If it is an exempt or obsolete weapon than you can hang it on the wall with no security but the minute you get ammunition for it, its an FAC again, thats my understanding based on my ownership of an obsolete shotgun. Thats how it was explained to me as I have ammo for it, its a useable gun so is on my SGC.

[Paul223]

try to clean up the markings a bit better, it'd be nice to see that it is 8mm and more importantly was originally 8mm, can you use a needle to gently work away at it?

 

if you intend to hang it on the wall what sort of finish will it have? rusty, browned, blued? I ask because if your going to clean the rust off then blasting with glass bead or bicarbonate of soda will clean it up nice, it'll also clean up the proof marks really well

[Edward]

Well just been onto the phone to my uncle about it (he used it when he was a lad) and he wants it so it looks like its not going to be tidyed up and onto my wall

 

I can make out FLA93, it has 17 on the bottom of the breech and I can very faintly make out what looks like mark 600 on the top of the barrel.

[Scully]

Take it to your local rfd for a look over.If it's an obsolete calibre he'll just hand it back.If it turns out to be rated as a shotgun,even if it's out of proof,he can still give you it back.It is not illegal to own an out of proof shotgun,only to sell one.