officerdibble777 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 As a T totaler I don't have a personal problem either way,but do you think it's the answer to the drink culture we have ? Here in Scotland the snp proposed this last year and were knocked down by labour,cons and lib/dems,on the grounds that it was unmanageable.Has the uk government found a new way to collect and use all that extra cash ? john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 you mean paying for scotlands children to go to university, and for looking after the ones with Knackered livers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 People will always find the money to get smashed if they want to, be it legal or illegal drugs. It's not the answer to drink associated social issues. About 25 years ago I went on a school exchange trip to Germany where you could drink beer at 14. Well the locals all acted responsibly on it and didn't over do it. Alas, the schools from England were the ones that got smashed, threw up and smashed the town square up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You cannot legislate for idiots to prevent them being idiots whatever the cause. To me a better and fairer plan would be to increase the penalties for being a drunken idiot to a minimum fine of £500. This money could be used to set up a compensation fund for innocent people whose property gets vandalised by drunken idiots, people who get assaulted by drunken idiots and to pay the poor **** whose job it is to clear up pools of puke from public areas. Then if you go out and get bladdered and behave yourself, no problem. Get caught being an idiot and you will be paying for it. Shame it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You cannot legislate for idiots to prevent them being idiots whatever the cause. To me a better and fairer plan would be to increase the penalties for being a drunken idiot to a minimum fine of £500. This money could be used to set up a compensation fund for innocent people whose property gets vandalised by drunken idiots, people who get assaulted by drunken idiots and to pay the poor **** whose job it is to clear up pools of puke from public areas. Then if you go out and get bladdered and behave yourself, no problem. Get caught being an idiot and you will be paying for it. Shame it will never happen. If people who were sick on the street etc. were made to clean it up/do a few hours community service they would think twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 you mean paying for scotlands children to go to university, and for looking after the ones with Knackered livers? if you don't have anything constructive to add,best keeping quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Schemes like this contibute to the escalation of my grocery bill - so instead of two bottles of wine a week I am down to one and half - as said the yobs will always get smashed. was this thought up by MP's who have a subsidised bar? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 if you don't have anything constructive to add,best keeping quiet I did miss the free prescriptions as well I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 £10.87 for 1ltr of vodka !!!!! I wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I did miss the free prescriptions as well I believe this is what I mean,wrong facts.Not free £28 a year,anything else going to fall off the chip on your shoulder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 This drives me around the bend, why should i have to pay more money for a beer because some idiots just want to get off their heads drinking cheap beer. I dont want to pay more for a drink to be honest, infact i would like to see it even more cheaper My honest reply would be higher the fines for drunken behaviour and let me have some cheap pleasure in life, all beit a couple of beers on an evening at home...please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 This drives me around the bend, why should i have to pay more money for a beer because some idiots just want to get off their heads drinking cheap beer. I dont want to pay more for a drink to be honest, infact i would like to see it even more cheaper My honest reply would be higher the fines for drunken behaviour and let me have some cheap pleasure in life, all beit a couple of beers on an evening at home...please you don't need to pay more for a beer, the whole thing is a joke. What they have suggested is a ban on selling alcohol for less than the cost of the duty on it. Realistically that only affects the very very cheapest supermarket loss leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I am with hillmouse on this, where there is a problem punish those who are creating it rather than a blanket financial penalty upon those who treat alchahol with respect. I suppose there is still a law on the statute books concerning being drunk and uncapable- and other laws of similair vein- enforcing these would make an excellent start. A night in the cells then a court appearance should be a sobering appearance. Or! Why not a license to drink required for those who have misused the privilege, could be withdrawn . Still that is pie in the sky, when real robbers , thugs and assorted swindlers are very unlikley to receive any worse sentence than community service - a joke. Almost as big a joke as the law which prevents the purchases of alchahol before 10 am in Scotland, when did you ever see drunken yobs staggering along a town centre at 10 : 15 am. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Here in Scotland the police hand out street fines of £80 to drunks if they cause a nusance,add that to the cost of a night out and it might make you think twice about the state you get into on a Friday and Saturday night.Also just introduced,no more happy hours,Two for one,three cases of beer etc.for £15 and no single unit sales of beer or alcopops in shops and supermarkets.If a supermarket sells breezers @ £1.50 the multi pack must sell for £6.00.Only time will tell if it reduces the problem,but as posted the idiots will always find a way. john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'd much rather they increased the price of a can of lager, and lowered the price of a litre of petrol The increases in alcohol prices aren't high enough to have an effect on the "Problem" drinkers. They'll drink to excess no matter what the cost is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Almost as big a joke as the law which prevents the purchases of alchahol before 10 am in Scotland, when did you ever see drunken yobs staggering along a town centre at 10 : 15 am. Aberdeen, 1996 (haven't been there since). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 It wont stop binge drinking at all.Like others have already said-people will always find a way even when its slightly out of their reach. A little while ago while working in Northampton,i watched a steady procession of homeless people going into town begging then once they've got enough walk to a nearby off licence to buy one can of 79p White diamond cider.This went on all day with the same faces getting single cans.Like i say-even those who havent a pot to pee in find a way to buy alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You cannot legislate for idiots to prevent them being idiots whatever the cause. To me a better and fairer plan would be to increase the penalties for being a drunken idiot to a minimum fine of £500. This money could be used to set up a compensation fund for innocent people whose property gets vandalised by drunken idiots, people who get assaulted by drunken idiots and to pay the poor **** whose job it is to clear up pools of puke from public areas. Then if you go out and get bladdered and behave yourself, no problem. Get caught being an idiot and you will be paying for it. Shame it will never happen. Yes i agree with Hillmouse also but fear it won't happen. from Auntie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Wont make a bit of difference either way...The money will always be found and establishments will probably counteract with some stealthy selling ploy. Binge drinking by todays young is here to stay and wont be counteracted by price constraints. Its like petrol..put it up and up and people will still pay. More should be made of the penal consequences of binge drinking to excess causing criminal damage or anti social behavior. If they reintroduced public stocks so we could all throw rotten fruit and eggs at them this might help and also reintroduce much needed entertainment to some of our more dour cities and towns. Putting this bill through Parliament is wasting more Public money than its actually worth... Edited January 18, 2011 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes there will always be a way for young people to get alcohol, however IMHO yes there should be minimum prices for alcohol and that should be based on the alcohol "units/litre" in the drink. This then will price it out of young peoples hands and this will then prevent liver disease starting early as this is a time when young peoples bodies are still developing. It doesn`t just stop there, as adults should also think about the cultural habits they are passing on to children. In the 70`s my parents didn`t have enough spare cash to drink every evening, either at home or in the pub, they went out at the weekend and had a drink then and that was the culture that I started out with. Scroll on to the 90`s and I am affluent enough to drink at home at barbies, watching sport and chilling, and that is the culture that my child sees and they now follow that, and I sincerely wish they had not ! Not that they are over doing it, but because I don`t know where it will lead, perhaps they will stop, perhaps they will start spiralling down into alcohol abuse, I know which I would prefer out of the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The government know full well that the people who NEED a drink will carry on getting their fix, even if they resort to robbing, mugging etc. but its only the minority will do that, so they brush that little glitch under the carpet. The majority of us will just do as we always do, stump up even more cash Its yet another stealth tax being passed onto us under the guise of 'for the benefit of everyone'...What happened to the aforementioned £80 on the spot fines? Punish only those who commit offences, don't try charging all of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Another excuse to tax us that bit further Thnakfully I don't drink 18p ASDA specials Having just come back from a couple of holidays my cupboards are flowing with duty free (all for personal use should there be any custom types on the site) Ditto on the fact that it will have no effect on scrotes and daytime tele viewers' abilities to go out (or stay in) and get smashed on the taxes we 'alarm clock' people provide for them I'm going out on Friday night with a couple of my old school drinking buds - not been out for a blokes drink in over 3 months - I shall have my 6 pints and feel sozzled - there is something to be said for turning 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Does this mean that drink is going up in price? I thought it just meant there was a minimum cost (such as 38p for a can of lager) I usually drink real ales that are usually around £1.80 - £2.00 a bottle. So they are above the minimum cost anyway. Also if you really look into the supermarket offers they are not giving anything away either. The 3 for £20 offers they have are usually smaller bottles or less cans in a case than they usually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Aberdeen, 1996 (haven't been there since). In the same numbers as a weekend night? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Does this mean that drink is going up in price? I thought it just meant there was a minimum cost (such as 38p for a can of lager) I usually drink real ales that are usually around £1.80 - £2.00 a bottle. So they are above the minimum cost anyway. Also if you really look into the supermarket offers they are not giving anything away either. The 3 for £20 offers they have are usually smaller bottles or less cans in a case than they usually is. you are indeed correct MC just the PW unwashed don't usually look at the small print after the headline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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