MC Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 But you don't have a clue, that is the point. You still haven't managed to answer how you can tell where the bead is if you cannot see the rib. Maybe you haven't managed to find that on youtube yet. You could not shoot a rifle with open sights if you only have the foresight, why is this do you reckon? It is because you have no reference, in this case it would be the rearsight. Mounting with your eyes closed is completely irrellevant as you have no reference at all. How can a gun point where you are looking, if you are not looking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 MC all i can say is, im sorry this method didnt work for you, as you can read above it has been told to other shooters and worked well. Thank you for your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 must admit to useing this one myself roughly. shut your eyeS, mount the gun as normal, open eyes and you 'SHOULD' be looking straight down the 'RIB' to the bead. it SHOULD be inline with a little rib showing. (yes, about a pound coin halfway down rib with bead sat on top). thats my way. if you want a flat shooting gun then you want very little rib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thank you for the comment beretta, nice to see a coach giving his advice, many thanks! love the pic by the way haha^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I use the 'eyes closed mount' sometimes Usually if she's fat and ugly....... :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I use the 'eyes closed mount' sometimes Usually if she's fat and ugly....... :o That comment has made my day, you legend for that hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thank you for the comment beretta, nice to see a coach giving his advice, many thanks! love the pic by the way haha^^ Actually one did some time ago did you but recognise some of the names but you ignored it as it didn't agree with your own point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Actually one did some time ago did you but recognise some of the names but you ignored it as it didn't agree with your own point of view. Na i didnt notice it said coach anywere and didnt seem to get any response that was of use untill just now.. buddy just drop it. you dont seem to be helping in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Na i didnt notice it said coach anywere and didnt seem to get any response that was of use untill just now.. buddy just drop it. you dont seem to be helping in any way. Ah, getting through at last are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I use the 'eyes closed mount' sometimes Usually if she's fat and ugly....... :o Beat me too it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I use the 'eyes closed mount' sometimes Usually if she's fat and ugly....... :o Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 And I shoot with both eyes closed, it works for me so well I loose count and can never find them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbirdtrev Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) And I shoot with both eyes closed, it works for me so well I loose count and can never find them Perhaps i should try this on Sunday, couldn't do any worse. Perhaps i should check that my gun fits me! HOW DO YOU DO IT? Edited February 10, 2011 by blackbirdtrev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Ah, getting through at last are we? No because you dont make sence, take note on how many this has beeen told to. works for most maybe not for a couple end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mmmm Beretta Italy, A child of the 80's..says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mike - with you there. Beretta Italy - you read or see something and then speak with such authority about a subject I believe you know very little about. You don't take on board much advice from this forum and get a tad stroppy when challenged. If you talk daft, expect someone to respond. By the way "sence" is actually "sense". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Ok. Edited February 10, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potshot Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 All this is ******** and those who have critised are right - it is just an approximation of gunfit at best. The only way to correctly do gunfit is on a live firing range with a trygun and gauge and a pattern plate to make sure it is right..... end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 All this is ******** and those who have critised are right - it is just an approximation of gunfit at best. The only way to correctly do gunfit is on a live firing range with a trygun and gauge and a pattern plate to make sure it is right..... end of Hi, from Devon also. 'ere, go lightly, all I said was the elbow to hand theory was flawed and look what happened! Cheers PS Think your Harriman quote is a cracker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just a quick question about seeing the bead. A lot of guns have 2 beads a mid and a end bead. If you only use the bead on the end of your barrel to line up with whats the point of the middle one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I`m with Beretta on this one. I use the eyes closed on some people but it depends on the individual and the problem they have personally. The elbow fit thing is a very rough guide indeed as it comes unstuck when a person has a big chest/small chest etc because it can then be several inches out when mounted. Seeing the amount of rib is purely a personal thing. If you like your gun to shoot flat then you don't need to see any rib merely the bead. If you like the gun to shoot slightly high as do I and most people, then you need to see a little rib. This will stop you lifting your head off the stock to see the target killed because the gun will shoot very slightly high together with the gun putting 60/70% of its shot above the barrels which shotguns do. The pupil must be dead centre over the rib. If its not then you will need more or less cast. The shot guns with a central bead are there to just make sure that when you mount the gun, the central bead acts as the bottom of a figure of eight and the front bead is the top part of the figure of eight. If you get a perfect 8 your gun alignment/fit is very good but not necessarily perfect at the heel/toe. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I`m with Beretta on this one. I use the eyes closed on some people but it depends on the individual and the problem they have personally. The elbow fit thing is a very rough guide indeed as it comes unstuck when a person has a big chest/small chest etc because it can then be several inches out when mounted. Seeing the amount of rib is purely a personal thing. If you like your gun to shoot flat then you don't need to see any rib merely the bead. If you like the gun to shoot slightly high as do I and most people, then you need to see a little rib. This will stop you lifting your head off the stock to see the target killed because the gun will shoot very slightly high together with the gun putting 60/70% of its shot above the barrels which shotguns do. The pupil must be dead centre over the rib. If its not then you will need more or less cast. The shot guns with a central bead are there to just make sure that when you mount the gun, the central bead acts as the bottom of a figure of eight and the front bead is the top part of the figure of eight. If you get a perfect 8 your gun alignment/fit is very good but not necessarily perfect at the heel/toe. : Wow, thats really interesting, didnt know that the bead halfway down the rib was to create the fig. 8! havent got one on my gun but did see on at the shop and had a feel. Thanks for the info COACH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 surly muscle memory has to come into play with this as well. my Baretta U2 has an inch pad and its been on there for a few thousand carts, the stock comes to the same place every time. heres the spanner. i shoot sitting down. i pull trigger with joint on finger and my thumb is around the grip and not on the back like you would to turn safety on/off on a double barrle. if i do the hand to elbow thing i will have a bout 2" gap at stock. the stock is a standard stock 14.5" with a rubber over pad added. so whats happened here? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I have 2 beads on Browning, 32" barrels, only ever see them when cleaning the gun. The gun has been professionly fitted and has a very noticable "off" cast. My reasoning behind not seeing the beads, is that that if I were to catch a ball, I would not be looking at my hands, I would be looking at the ball, therefore if I want to hit the clay target, that is what I would be looking at, not the barrels. I shoot with both eyes open and off each shoulder, but I would not use the gun with the "off cast" off of my left shoulder. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 nobody looks at the bead when aiming at the clay :blink: the bead is in your Peripheral vision which allows you to relate this to the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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