rob4586 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Disgraceful in my opinion, I really believe this will be detrimental http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12445321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I don't think I could even start to begin to comprehend how those young men and women, after years of training, selection and dedication are going to feel tomorrow. It would be heart-crippling beyond description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Defense cuts are hitting in all areas and sadly the RAF also have to bite the **** sandwich. Crazy way to save a few ££ though.. It will bite us in the *** as it always does.. And again we never learn from the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I don't think I could even start to begin to comprehend how those young men and women, after years of training, selection and dedication are going to feel tomorrow. It would be heart-crippling beyond description. I'm seeing my colleagues literally distraught about what they face tomorrow, luckily i'm not in the pilot role but here's basic fast jet training: 32 weeks Initial officer training 26 weeks Elementary flying training 40 weeks on Tucano - basic fast jet 44 weeks on the hawk - advanced fast jet and then onto operational conversion unit to become combat ready To then be told to leave... I feel for every single one of them :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It makes no sense to bin candidates under training. Why not freeze recruitment for the next few years? It's about as sensible as building aircraft carriers with out planes to fly off them. Oh..hang on................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It makes no sense to bin candidates under training. Why not freeze recruitment for the next few years? It's about as sensible as building aircraft carriers with out planes to fly off them. Oh..hang on................... I agree, the pilots even offered to go on reduced pay! I guess the people who make these decisions haven't got the brains they were born with..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 What a waste to stop training once its started it dont make sense. All these cuts are going to harm this once great Country its all to fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 What a waste to stop training once its started it dont make sense. All these cuts are going to harm this once great Country its all to fast. its all too late, the problem is now the penny has dropped that we can't afford the planes for them to fly then we don't need so many pilots so harsh as it is don't panic too much. At a guess it will put them most of the way to getting their commercial flying license so none will be on the breadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 the piggy bank is empty has been for a long time, yet we still support overseas aid,give million upon million to our european colleagues,for little in return other than the foisting of lefty laws and puffy ideoligy such as "human rights" (who said we are entitled to rights in the first place!!) and continue to fight unwinnable(unless you wipe out complete nations)wars such as that in afganistan a war that is draining us like the plug removed from a bath of water, and these future pilots ( what a waste of talent)just went out with the same bathwater the last govt just about have us strapped, the credit card is maxed out and the spending stops, wait till the penny drops on the yanks, what is it 14/15 trillion in debt and growing daily? even they cant keep it up. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Also, if you voted Tory last year, Just a reminder they tried to do the very same to the navy (on a much grander scale) before the Faklands broke out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Also, if you voted Tory last year, Just a reminder they tried to do the very same to the navy (on a much grander scale) before the Faklands broke out. true, and a mistake that was seized upon by the argies, but it has no bearing on the present, the last liebour govt's recklessness did however? "The appalling legacy bequeathed by Labour was not just confined to the £38 billion black hole in the defence budget. It also consisted of a wide range of defence capabilities that are increasingly irrelevant to modern warfare, from the Army's massed ranks of tanks and heavy artillery to the RAF's array of fast jets that are largely superfluous to our combat requirements" I would suggest the highlighted statement bears reason to the cuts, savage yes but not unexpected. KW Edited February 14, 2011 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 true, and a mistake that was seized upon by the argies, but it has no bearing on the present, the last liebour govt's recklessness did however? "The appalling legacy bequeathed by Labour was not just confined to the £38 billion black hole in the defence budget. It also consisted of a wide range of defence capabilities that are increasingly irrelevant to modern warfare, from the Army's massed ranks of tanks and heavy artillery to the RAF's array of fast jets that are largely superfluous to our combat requirements" I would suggest the highlighted statement bears reason to the cuts, savage yes but not unexpected. KW There's no point using opposing parties quotes; it's the ultimate bias. - Anyways, let's not start this arguement, It was just a statement of fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Also, if you voted Tory last year, Just a reminder they tried to do the very same to the navy (on a much grander scale) before the Faklands broke out. Well unfortunatley if your a labour supporter then your lot caused this one im afraid.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker3 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 At a guess it will put them most of the way to getting their commercial flying license so none will be on the breadline in the sun today it says that these fast jet pilots cannot take there training into the commercial industry and would have to start the training from the very start to fly airliners or commercial planes . feel very sorry for anyone that loses there job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) And at the same time we're giving India a 1 billion pound aid bung, not a loan, a bung. That's despite the country being thoroughly corrupt, having a nuclear program, a space program and an economic growth of 8.5% last year. Go figure that one out. :blink: Edited February 14, 2011 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 al4x, they arent near to comercial licences. The raf training isnt commercially certificated, and even when fully trained to fly transport carriers they arent commercially licenced. If they did it like that too many people would train with the raf, ane then go to the higher paying commercial lines. Plus, look at the economy, how many airlines are recruiting pilots, never mind a hundred odd half trained. And thats not even the point. These people have put their all into difficult training for years, and would have no idea what else they would want to do. The gutting thing is, they'll bin these lot, and then still take in new recuits for pilots the month after... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 "The array of the RAF,s fast jets largely superfluous to our military needs"-How the hell can anybody predict what our needs might be?How long ago was it that good old Adolph learned that without air superiority you aint got poo? And as for Array-this word suggests that we have a considerable number of front line fighters-the ones we have are totally outclassed by a/c that we could have bought from America at a fraction of the cost of building our own.The last world class a/c we had was the Lightning-we stopped flying that because of financial restraints and how many years ago was that? A century ago we were the major superpower-now we would struggle to defend ourselves against the Channel Islands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 If they have any sense, they wont bin the ones "just hours away from graduating", they'll stop the less talented from the later intakes. As it is, nearly a 1/4 get binned from flying school or go to other branches of the royal air force as it is. It's no different to you or i being binned from the jobs we've been trained for, and that happens every day. The emotion is due to the financial investment we (the taxpayer) have made in them, but it's no worse than the military's overspend on procurement - cure that and they could all keep their jobs. This of course assumes you accept the BBC's slightly biased and sensationalist approach to reporting......tin hat on! AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 If they have any sense, they wont bin the ones "just hours away from graduating", they'll stop the less talented from the later intakes. As it is, nearly a 1/4 get binned from flying school or go to other branches of the royal air force as it is. It's no different to you or i being binned from the jobs we've been trained for, and that happens every day. The emotion is due to the financial investment we (the taxpayer) have made in them, but it's no worse than the military's overspend on procurement - cure that and they could all keep their jobs. This of course assumes you accept the BBC's slightly biased and sensationalist approach to reporting......tin hat on! AB we talk about the 1 in 4 cuts here, that means 100 people, never saw much bleating when the local steelworks (5000 men) or the pits in the area (god knows how many lost jobs) got shut down KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 we talk about the 1 in 4 cuts here, that means 100 people, never saw much bleating when the local steelworks (5000 men) or the pits in the area (god knows how many lost jobs) got shut down KW :good: It's the reality of the situation we are in. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMungo Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 the 1 in 4 cut is not just for the flying branch...it is across every trade in the RAF...reality is, there are a lot of brown envelopes flying around...and as you may have noticed from the news - no more harriers or nimrods for pilots to fly Unfortunatly some of the baby pilots will get hit with the cuts, but the training they will have been through will make them competitors in the job market - graduates, with x weeks military training.... In no way do i agree with the cuts, ****, it might even be me getting a brown envelope soon...but needs must, **** happens etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 43% gone!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12476706 :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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