pigeonblasterian Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hares are getting pretty scarce in a lot of the country, intensive cerials and buzzards seem to be the main culprits. Unless you have a serious problem please dont shoot them at this time of year. A I leave them alone unless i have been asked to shoot them by the farmer.I can say that they are not scarce in this part of the country.Some farmers want me to shoot them some do not,and my freezer is full at the moment so i do not have room for any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbirdtrev Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) The General licences cover serious crop protection and health and safety. How would shooting Canada's grazing marshland be covered by either licence? People keep on about serious crop protection and health and safety but i have just read through the general licence (natural england) and cannot find any mention of serious crop protection or health and safety. Perhaps i am having a blind day but defo cannot see it mentioned on there. Edited April 25, 2011 by blackbirdtrev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 People keep on about serious crop protection and health and safety but i have just read through the general licence (natural england) and cannot find any mention of serious crop protection or health and safety. Perhaps i am having a blind day but defo cannot see it mentioned on there. Taken from OGL04. THE PURPOSE(S) FOR WHICH THIS LICENCE APPLIES 1. Subject to paragraph 2 and the licence conditions, this licence is granted to: (i) Prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters, and (ii) Prevent the spread of disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Exactly!! You don't have to show other methods before shooting them, but they still have to be causing a problem before any control is carried out. It's not a good enough reason to shoot them if they're not causing a problem, just because they're non-native. Phew! You helped me get to the bottom of it after 8 pages of looking. I'm overtly concerned to be shooting 'correctly' as I'm relatively new to it all. I appreciate the distillation, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) However, on the flora and fauna front could I just argue that due to wood pigeons the song birds in my garden are reduced and hence shoot? Yes, you could argue that but I'm not sure how much of a defence it would be if it came to that. I for one would love to hear your "thought" process here. Have your Woodies crossed with Spars? Edited April 25, 2011 by Piebob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbirdtrev Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Taken from OGL04. THE PURPOSE(S) FOR WHICH THIS LICENCE APPLIES 1. Subject to paragraph 2 and the licence conditions, this licence is granted to: (i) Prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters, and (ii) Prevent the spread of disease. I have been looking at a different general licence to you, i have read the one you are on about OGL04 but if you read GL06 it does not mention anything about public health or protection of crops! WML-GL04 comes under the heading Prevention of damage or disease and WML-GL06 comes under the heading of Conserving flora & fauna. I take it there is more than one general licence issued for different things as the 2 licences above read almost the same except for the fact why you can destroy or kill a certain bird ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I take it there is more than one general licence issued for different things as the 2 licences above read almost the same except for the fact why you can destroy or kill a certain bird ect. Yes, there are a few licences issued, covering different aspects of control. http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/licences/generallicences.aspx GLO6 covers flora & fauna, and protection of native species by non-native species. If, for instance, you had a local pond which normally attracted nesting/breeding Mallard, and Canada's pushed the Mallard off the pond, then they could be shot under GLO6, as you'd be protecting a native species. If, however your pond never attracted Mallard in the first place then any Canada on the pond aren't really breaching the terms of the licence, as there would be no native species to protect. So no reason to shoot them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Yes, there are a few licences issued, covering different aspects of control. http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/licences/generallicences.aspx GLO6 covers flora & fauna, and protection of native species by non-native species. If, for instance, you had a local pond which normally attracted nesting/breeding Mallard, and Canada's pushed the Mallard off the pond, then they could be shot under GLO6, as you'd be protecting a native species. If, however your pond never attracted Mallard in the first place then any Canada on the pond aren't really breaching the terms of the licence, as there would be no native species to protect. So no reason to shoot them. How could anybody possibly argue that? You could say there were no Mallard there because of the Canada's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 How could anybody possibly argue that? You could say there were no Mallard there because of the Canada's If it's a pond that had never attracted any wildfowl in the past and a couple of Canada's turn up on it one year, then they're doing no harm, as there had never been anything on it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Hares are getting pretty scarce in a lot of the country, intensive cerials and buzzards seem to be the main culprits. Unless you have a serious problem please dont shoot them at this time of year. A some of us dont have a choice as to weather we shoot them! a pest is a pest untill its dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 some of us dont have a choice as to weather we shoot them! a pest is a pest untill its dead After that, its an ingredient (unless its rat of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 After that, its an ingredient (unless its rat of course) why be fussey lol dinks live off them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Canadas are pigs with wings and bring all the mess with them. They should be controlled when needed some wildfowlers on here would have a heart attack watching snow culls in the prairies but organising culls in season prevents arguments like this out of season. Personally I wouldn't shoot them unless asked to on my arable permissions then again I afford pigeons grace up here too as they are they also aren't a problem atm. There is definitely a sub culture that would happily shoot anything year round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 If it's a pond that had never attracted any wildfowl in the past and a couple of Canada's turn up on it one year, then they're doing no harm, as there had never been anything on it in the first place. If a couple of geese turn up on it one year it obviously does attract wildfowl. Like I said before because of the way the GL is written and because it's classed as non native it would be so easy to give a reason to shoot them at any location (not that you need a reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Just to pick up on Albertans comment about the control of Snow geese in North America. I`m afraid that I completely disagree with your comments that UK fowlers would have a heart attack when witnessing snow goose "culling", which , for the uninitiated includes no bag limits, unrestricted guns, the use of electronic callers, long seasons etc. UK fowlers are perfetcly well aware of the reasoning behind this cull which, simply put, is that the snow goose is so numerous and so successful that it is destroying its own arctic nesting habitat. Fowlers have noticed that numbers of canadas in the UK are finite.If we shoot too many they will vanish as a quarry species. Something unlikely to happen to the snow goose whose population numbers in millions. It breaks my heart to see shooters, instead of getting indignant about the current canada legislative situation and demanding that the shooting community be consulted about how best to proceed, so many are happy to side,like sheep, with the undemocratic diktats of the all powerful RSPB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Just to pick up on Albertans comment about the control of Snow geese in North America. I`m afraid that I completely disagree with your comments that UK fowlers would have a heart attack when witnessing snow goose "culling", which , for the uninitiated includes no bag limits, unrestricted guns, the use of electronic callers, long seasons etc. UK fowlers are perfetcly well aware of the reasoning behind this cull which, simply put, is that the snow goose is so numerous and so successful that it is destroying its own arctic nesting habitat. Fowlers have noticed that numbers of canadas in the UK are finite.If we shoot too many they will vanish as a quarry species. Something unlikely to happen to the snow goose whose population numbers in millions. It breaks my heart to see shooters, instead of getting indignant about the current canada legislative situation and demanding that the shooting community be consulted about how best to proceed, so many are happy to side,like sheep, with the undemocratic diktats of the all powerful RSPB. The voice of common sense and reason. Would be the same if Greylags were substituted for Canadas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Where's the vid gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It's a two year old topic. Probably just got removed or the account closed? I haven't read through the whole lot but I can't see the issue if it died cleanly? The only problem here was talking about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 he took the video down a long time again as people moaned at his ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2012 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 wow, after reading all that all i have to say about the matter is that everybody should ensure that they aren't overshooting their permissions in order to retain sport for themselves in the future, Does it matter what the general licence says (other that you can shoot non natives) surely you still don't need to go and shoot every one in sight? Seems that most people forget about the conservation side of shooting and that we control these 'pests' for a reason, Not simply to erradicate them all together Just my opinion, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I went to my permission and counted 40+ Canada's on his lake. I like watching them my self but I've been told to get rid ! I'm not sure what to do ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I went to my permission and counted 40+ Canada's on his lake. I like watching them my self but I've been told to get rid ! I'm not sure what to do ! Hi Royboy, I would definetely get rid of some, to show the farmer, that you trying and do a good job, but definetely not all of them, surely we can shoot one and miss 3...well thats my normal ratio in anycase..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 That's a better ratio than mines Highbird ! When about do they start nesting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willks84 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Where's the vid??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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