Toombsy Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) You got to read THIS So were the 3,000 innocent civilians comfortable when they were burned, crushed or fell to their deaths? What a bloody stupid idiot. He lives in cloud cuckoo land. Edited May 5, 2011 by Toombsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 If Cameron says the killing of Bin Laden was justified why can't we have the death penalty back for peado's, murderers ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 he is a dissolutioned clown good for a laugh but little else KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ellwood Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What an idiot - words escape me. Like Elby says - if this is deemed as "justice", why can't we bring back the gallows for sex offenders, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 he is a dissolutioned clown good for a laugh but little else KW Don't think the Archbishop is all there either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) I have been to NYC twice since 9/11. Stayed with a family for 2 weeks in Syracuse in NY state (300 miles from the city island in 2009 and they feel so strong about what happened) toured ground zero and the museum, which was the third most moving thing in my life after marriage and birth of my children. My god, what you see there is Christianity. What a *****! Edited May 5, 2011 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 ‘The killing of an unarmed man is always going to leave a very uncomfortable feeling because it does not look as if justice is seen to be done.’ So as a Christian, with a system of belief, how else would he feel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Rule 6. Thou shall not kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 So as a Christian, with a system of belief, how else would he feel ? And here we have the answer the arch bishop is a devout and religeous man, why would he condone the killing of anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Rule 6. Thou shall not kill. What no rule is "an eye for an eye"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What no rule is "an eye for an eye"? that's Old testament. I seem to remember reading that ghandi had the perfect response to your question, "A eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind" or something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 that's Old testament. I seem to remember reading that ghandi had the perfect response to your question, "A eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind" or something like that... And there's another thing. The Old Testament was so unbelievable they made The New Testament. If The Bible is the word of God did he make a typo with the first book? Anyway back on topic. If as it seems Bin Laden was not armed, did not use his wife as a shield, why could he not be taken alive a subject to a trial like any other criminal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I totally understand that the man has 'rules' to follow, but for crying out loud it's the inability to be flexible that winds me up with the hardcore religious. They say 'deliver us from evil' and that's what the Navy Seals did, technically. And then the freak gets all 'uncomfortable' about it. What would the Archbishop rather do to resolve the situation? Have Bin Laden kneel before him so that the freak can lay his palm on his forehead and look up in the sky and ask his imaginary mate for a bit of forgiveness. His actions really are unbelievable... just like the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Sorry, but I agree with him... and this has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with morals and the law.. As soon as we start killing (assasinating) when there is no need (i.e. if he was unarmed then it is highly unlikely he was shot in self defence) with no 'due process,' then we have stepped waaaay over a line and also pushed our so called 21st century society back about 300 years! It really doesn't matter who we are talking about, Hitler, Musolini, Jack the Ripper, Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden... The cornerstone of western civilisation and democracy is that "everyone"... and there is no ambiguity here... "everyone" means "everyone," is innocent until proven guilty by "Fair Trial" in front of a jury of our peers. Without this we are back to lynch mobs, pitchforks and torches! Put him on trial, yes he would most probably been found guilty and then execute him.. but regardless, he was still entitled to the same "due process" as we all would be.. If it was anyone else, the Seal that pulled the trigger would probably be facing murder charges! Edited May 5, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 So as a Christian, with a system of belief, how else would he feel ? The blokes devoted his life to his faith and is the big daddio of the church of England. I'd be more worried if he turned round and said, 'wahey, well done boys, hope you gave him one from jesus'. He's a holy man and there aint that much separating the core religious beliefs of all faiths if you are dealing with moderate examples of each faith. If you went through the ten commandments with any human being who wasnt a nut-nut they would probably agree that contravention of any of them in their own faith would be deemed immoral. Okay, some faiths can have more than 1 wife but who the **** would want that! And now for a PW sweeping generalisation, the holy men in all faiths pretty much sing from the same sheet they just wear different dresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What no rule is "an eye for an eye"? must be next to the one that says two wrongs make a right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Sorry, but I agree with him... As soon as we start killing (assasinating) when there is no need (i.e. if he was unarmed then it is highly unlikely he was shot in self defence) with no 'due process,' then we have stepped waaaay over a line and also pushed our so called 21st century society back about 300 years! It really doesn't matter who we are talking about, Hitler, Musolini, Jack the Ripper, Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden... The cornerstone of western civilisation and democracy is that "everyone"... and there is no ambiguity here... "everyone" means "everyone," is innocent until proven guilty by "Fair Trial" in front of a jury of our peers. Without this we are back to lynch mobs, pitchforks and torches! Put him on trial, yes he would most probably been found guilty and then execute him.. but regardless, he was still entitled to the same "due process" as we all would be.. If it was anyone else, the Seal that pulled the trigger would probably be facing murder charges! Its about showing the 'terrorists' that we are more civilised. I was disturbed by seeing Saddam strung up like that when it was his time to go yet most people thought it was great. These are the same people that are disgusted by the beheadings of the innocent westerners. How will anything ever be resolved if both sides are hell bent on destroying the other. TV Footage of Binladen shot in front of his daughter? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Its about showing the 'terrorists' that we are more civilised. I was disturbed by seeing Saddam strung up like that when it was his time to go yet most people thought it was great. These are the same people that are disgusted by the beheadings of the innocent westerners. How will anything ever be resolved if both sides are hell bent on destroying the other. TV Footage of Binladen shot in front of his daughter? No thanks. No doubt the Seal that shot him will be writing a book real soon. Amazing really, they say one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. They were freedom fighters against the Russians in Afghanistan using arms supplied by the US & UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I can't trust a man with a beard like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Good job they didnt support the IRA when they all professed to be oirish american during their ridiculous St Patricks day parades. Oops silly me, they did. As long as it was for " Freedon Fighters " that was ok? Americans had no concept of terrorism until it was upon them and then hey presto - its aglobal war on terror. A bit like declaring war on flies really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I can't trust a man with a beard like that Which one? the one in the dress or the one in the dress and combat jacket combo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Good job they didnt support the IRA when they all professed to be oirish american during their ridiculous St Patricks day parades. Oops silly me, they did. As long as it was for " Freedon Fighters " that was ok? Americans had no concept of terrorism until it was upon them and then hey presto - its aglobal war on terror. A bit like declaring war on flies really. NORAID wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Indeed it was NORAID, wonder how they are doing now? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Sorry guys this all seems a litte too emotional and 'deep'. Bin Laden is dead - it would have been ideal if he was armed and fighting, but its not immoral to execute a murderer IMHO especially if he has killed innumerable people and is a threat to world peace. The bible will give you a justification for anything and a reason why you should not do that thing. Its not a first choice to shoot an unarmed man but if you were there and did not know how many armed guards were there, whether there were wired explosives, whether the pakistanis would weigh in support of your target and your whole country expecting you to end the grief of 3,000 dead? Anyone who would not pull the trigger and administer the 'double tap' would for ever be a pariah. Then again you would never be a Seal, SAS or any other elite group. Try telling the SAS, acting on these sort of orders that execution is immoral and against natural law. Come on guys would you have asked these moral questions at the moment or a hell of a long time before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Not only is it an own goal for East-West relations, a stupid and possibly illegal act and a PR disaster (lying about events and details) but it strikes me as odd that they didn't take him for 'questioning' and intelligence gathering as he was unarmed and only protected by his youngest wife. I am not into conspiracies but it is not outside the bounds of possibility that they could have taken him somewhere that could be both American soil and outside of normal international laws...say...erm..I don't know...a war-ship and 'questioned' him forcefully until he he either gave information or couldn't give information, then dropped him overboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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