inthedark Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 .22lr are the very worst for ricochets, bar none, I reckon its down to the speed / weight ratio. Full bore stuff smashes itself much easier so is less likely to ping off. Over to Dekers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 .22lr are the very worst for ricochets, bar none, I reckon its down to the speed / weight ratio. Full bore stuff smashes itself much easier so is less likely to ping off. Over to Dekers. Mmm, Full bore is a lot more frightening though- worst bit they don't always scream off. although i might harp on about safe shot with one is safe with the other you might consider thinking again if that statement is 100% before you let fly with 150grns plus of lead. if you get one you become a lot more carefull and thats just a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I shot at 12 and killed 11 dekers, sorry for asking a general question mr grumpalot! :yp: ............it can happen with any calibre and any round in the right (wrong) conditions...can we get off the bandwagon of .22lr ricochets. Somehow this most dangerous, terrible, evil round that bounces all over the countryside remains the most popular civil calibre in England, UK, Europe, the World! Funny that! And you will reduce dramatically the number/effects of ricochets if you can actually hit your quarry! Next question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 .22lr are the very worst for ricochets, bar none, I reckon its down to the speed / weight ratio. Full bore stuff smashes itself much easier so is less likely to ping off. Over to Dekers. And your point is? Sorry, but .22lr and ricochets are boring me beyond belief, yes it can happen,it can happen with any calibre and any round in the right (wrong) conditions...can we get off the bandwagon of .22lr ricochets. Somehow this most dangerous, terrible, evil round that bounces all over the countryside remains the most popular civil calibre in England, UK, Europe, the World! Funny that! And you will reduce dramatically the number/effects of ricochets if you can actually hit your quarry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Is there anyone who doesn't know how bad the .22lr ricochets and should be banned on H&S grounds, after all, everyone read it somewhere on a forum and repeats it non stop for the rest of their lives! Form an orderly que to do civil duty and return your .22lr as dangerous and therefore unusable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 This has been done on many sites. If it suits the ground you shoot over you will see nothing wrong with it. If it does not suit it will be gone soon enough. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I do know how bad they are, had several, even going right through my target, 50 Yard crows and bunnies. I was just saying how it happened, and to be fair asking if anyone else had any similar experiences as this put the willies up me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Is there anyone who doesn't know how bad the .22lr ricochets and should be banned on H&S grounds, after all, everyone read it somewhere on a forum and repeats it non stop for the rest of their lives! Form an orderly que to do civil duty and return your .22lr as dangerous and therefore unusable! I gave up the .22lr once for just that reason. Compared to everything else it does seem to bounce a bit! I've got another now but it does scare me. Centrefires do come back up but a nice light, fast bullet from something like a .223 rarely makes it off the ground in my experience. I've shot thousands of .22lr and hundreds of most cf calibres on all sorts of land. .22lr really does bounce! Not saying the bigger rounds should be used as if they don't come up, but they don't seem to do it so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Still enjoying the reference to Dekers as "mr grumpalot!" - unfair but hilarious..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 .22lr ricochets, yep, so what? just use your noodle and don't shoot towards anything breakable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 ............it can happen with any calibre and any round in the right (wrong) conditions...can we get off the bandwagon of .22lr ricochets. Somehow this most dangerous, terrible, evil round that bounces all over the countryside remains the most popular civil calibre in England, UK, Europe, the World! Funny that! And you will reduce dramatically the number/effects of ricochets if you can actually hit your quarry! Next question! Or do what I do and leave your hearing aid at home. Simples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Still enjoying the reference to Dekers as "mr grumpalot!" - unfair but hilarious..... Yeah it made me chuckle too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Yeah it made me chuckle too! Hahahahaha............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liongeorge Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I find that CCI segmenting do really work , the only ricochets I get are very rare and they sound different i think they are only one of the small fragments with little energy not the whole lump like a normal sub.They don't half knock down rabbits as well. Down points... don't chamber easily in my sako quad, not as accurate as eleys but not too bad and a bit more expensive. i'll keep using them as I like to sleep at night, I had given up on the .22 because of ricochets , now am using it much more , great with my new NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Somehow this most dangerous, terrible, evil round that bounces all over the countryside remains the most popular civil calibre in England, UK, Europe, the World! +1 I have had a fair few whizz off after hitting a hard object or dry ground. It has never been an issue as they don't travel far when spinning and lose their remaining energy over a short distance. You shouldn't be shooting near anything or anyone that could be harmed by a ricochete. The idea that they carry on for huge distances with enough energy to cause a fatality is just old tales. As some one pointed out it takes a 50 cal to knock ear defenders off, what would a .22 realisticaly do. The problem is with rounds that re-bound towards the shooter. If you are shooting over a short distance they could hurt comming straight back. A decent range will have a bit of distance between the target and the back stop. With a suitable medium for backstop. If you have one come straight back at you in the field, you haven't looked carefully enough at your back stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 The idea that they carry on for huge distances with enough energy to cause a fatality is just old tales. As some one pointed out it takes a 50 cal to knock ear defenders off, what would a .22 realisticaly do. Even if a 22lr only took 1/4 energy onwards, that's enough to kill someone. The chap whose ear defenders were grazed by a .50 ricochet was lucky not to lose his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You shouldn't be shooting near anything or anyone that could be harmed by a ricochete. Even if a 22lr only took 1/4 energy onwards, that's enough to kill someone. The chap whose ear defenders were grazed by a .50 ricochet was lucky not to lose his head. How far will it carry this energy? Will you shoot when someone is standing 100m away 50m to the side behind your target ? You wouldn't! I can't believe people stop shooting a rifle because they heard it ricochete, but no one can tell you how far said bullet travelled or how much energy it carried. As most seem to happen with sub-sonics, I think it wouldn't be much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 To put this into perspective and taking it that in the main we're talking sub-sonic: If you hit solid steel at precisely 90 degrees the bullet will stop and loose all its energy. If you hit said steel at 1 degree the bullet will go off at a tangent and loose very little energy comparitively speaking. Consequently, as as soon as you pull the trigger and the bullet develops a mind of its own over which you have no control, the only safe option is to cater for the worst scenario and take into account that any ricochet may travel the maximum distance that the bullet is capable of on its normal trajectory. So, question; given the most favourable trajectory, how far can a 40gr sub-sonic 22LR bullet travel? Given this answer (which probably isn't the same as given on the box), you then have your safety distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 exactly if you think about how fast the bullet drops anyway think about the fact that once its hit the ground it has lost some energy. Then over the next 200 yards it should drop to the ground no problems and won't carry on like a bouncing bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Is this still going... Nobody can predict direction, energy, fragmentation, etc of ricochets in the field, energy loss is significant whatever, and sometimes VERY significant...but I still wouldn't want to be in the way just be careful out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) Is this still going... Nobody can predict direction, energy, fragmentation, etc of ricochets in the field, energy loss is significant whatever, and sometimes VERY significant...but I still wouldn't want to be in the way just be careful out there! Exactly. Specified range danger areas, other than pure distance, are empirical in nature which just means it hasn't happened YET. Consequently, as ever, Murphy and Sod must always be borne in mind. Edited June 17, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So, question; given the most favourable trajectory, how far can a 40gr sub-sonic 22LR bullet travel? Given this answer (which probably isn't the same as given on the box), you then have your safety distance. about 250yds with the barrel level from a standing position before it hits the deck, by then if it does bounce it'll go upto 80ish yds depending on the ground conditions. as for optimum range at an optimum angle, never tried it and not in any mind to thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 And your point is? Sorry, but .22lr and ricochets are boring me beyond belief, yes it can happen,it can happen with any calibre and any round in the right (wrong) conditions...can we get off the bandwagon of .22lr ricochets. Somehow this most dangerous, terrible, evil round that bounces all over the countryside remains the most popular civil calibre in England, UK, Europe, the World! Funny that! And you will reduce dramatically the number/effects of ricochets if you can actually hit your quarry! My point is, that .22LR subs riccochet worse than anything else, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 about 250yds with the barrel level from a standing position before it hits the deck, by then if it does bounce it'll go upto 80ish yds depending on the ground conditions. as for optimum range at an optimum angle, never tried it and not in any mind to thankyou. 850 yds max with optimal barrel angle, which I dimly recall as around 35 degrees of elevation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 A few years ago me and a mate decided to see how far a .22lr subsonic rnd would go. We aimed at a tree across a 800yd harrowed and very dry field so we could see the dust kick up ( was safe for the next five miles or so beyond) We never managed to get anything into the oak tree,it seemed that this was just about the limit at what ever angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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