410 v 28g

[steyrman]

My nephew has started to take an interest in shooting i have had him out a few times and he is mad keen i am toying with the idea of buying him his first shotgun he is 13 but a small 13 so i am thinking 410 which i have fired many times and would be a good starter gun for him and there is plenty available at little cost then i am thinking about a 28g which i have never fired is there much recoil difference between them (dont want to sicken him)i know the shells will be more expensive but that is not an issue is the 28g the better of the two your views please

[Dekers]

Always difficult this one but I'm not one for all this malarkey...he is...she is...small, ill, weak whatever...

 

Try a 12 with a 21g cart, or a semi 12g..after all the odds are he will grow a bit in the next year or 2!

 

My lad let go his first 12g at age 10, and hasn't looked back since!

 

ATB!

[utectok]

Maybe a semi auto in 20 gauge? Mind a .410 is a great starter? Mine started on my 12g with 21gm carts and moved on to a 20 semi when she got her own gun and was safe and I knew she was keen!

[highseas]

ime getting a 28g for my brother he shot my old charls lancaster 3in hammemr gun with 42gram of hewichot at geese and that kinda put him off lol

[casts_by_fly]

we were just out last night. A female friend was shooting with us for her first time. She is ~5'3" and 10 stone soaking wet. I borrowed a short 28 ga lincoln #2 from the range. She shot 16 gram cartridges (as did I) and was good all night. The only trouble she had was towards the end of the evening her front hand/arm was getting tired of holding up the gun. That has been the challenge with my wife shooting- the gun itself is too front heavy for her to hold for any length of time or accurately. The little 28 was perfect. That would be (and was) my recco for a new shooter.

 

Thanks

rick

[markm]

My 9 year old shoots a 410. I would fully expect him to be on a 12 by the age of 13 with lighter loads. A 28 will be a lot more expensive as they are rare. A lot also come with full size stocks as standard now as they are a very handy tool for adults.

[team tractor]

Sorry to go off subject but

 

Derrick edmondson ex world enduro champion was made to ride an 80 cc until he could win and then was given a big bike and became world class so give him a .410 to shoot and hone technique and then go for a 12 g when he can hit stuff .

 

Any idiot can drive a fast car quick but it takes skill to drive a slow car fast

 

Hope this all makes sense,ps I love my 410 and chose it over my 12g

[Dangerous Brian]

I started out with a .410 bolt action. I was lucky because the shoot was small and no one minded me shooting single clays. Later on when I had progressed to a 12 my dad and I still used the .410 for fun on double clays (you had to be quick). Bought a Yildiz .410 S/S a few months ago for closer stands at the shoot- great fun. The .410 certainly hones your shooting skills and on the right stands it can be pretty effective.

 

The main problem with the .410 is you don't get many pellets to play with (especially if you can only get #6 shot). for close stuff it is fine but on some of the longer targets you will miss and not really know whether it was a hole in the pattern or user error. 3 inch magnum eleys do about 19g shot which helps but works out expensive if you use a lot.

 

ATB

 

Brian

[ChrisAsh]

I shoot right handed an it took me a good three months shooting a minimum of once a week before I did not have to woory about my left hand hurting from the weight of the gun 12g o/u. recoil did not matter, so I would suggest 410 o/u to start with and shoot something like skeet where they can achieve something and get better, rather than sporting where its easy for a learner to get lost as nothing is simple or constant

[saunders.shoots]

i started with a 20bore at age 11 and was fine

[njc110381]

I've had both and think the .410 is a great challenge. The 28g gives you much more potential whilst still being light and having low recoil.

 

I'd say ideally a 28g if you can find/afford it, but to this day my best ever bag on pigeons was with with a sbs Baikal .410 using a mix of 19g Fiocchi and 18g Eley extra long. It may be a small cartridge but if you make sure you get one that can handle 3" shells it's a great little tool once you learn how to use it.

[Mike525steel]

I was made to shoot a 12 early on and it wasn't great. too big and heavy and even when shooting smaller carts if he cant mount it perfect each time as is often the case in the excitement of the shot with kids

 

a mate of mine had a 20 bore when we were kids and on the odd occasion i got to fire it i loved it he also had a .410 which was great but power and range are definatly an issue and if your shooting it with the big carts you might as well shoot a 20 as they kick like a mule

[steyrman]

Thanks for the replies lads going to borrow a .410 this weekend to give him a try

 

cheers John

[shoughton]

I picked up a Webley bolt action .410 for my nephew to have a go - he's a big lad but only 12. He shoots fine witht he .410 and is building a good style. I let him have a go of the 12 to see what it's like (with a 21g as opposed to the 42g ones he wanted to try - but he finds it hard to control. My advice would be to get hold a cheap .410; my RFD gave me mine for free when I bought my Beretta. The stock was worse for wear - but you'd never guess that now as it's been stripped, dents removed and re-oiled - beautiful!

 

if you were closer I'd lend you the .410 to try.

 

Good luck,

 

Steve

[steyrman]

Thanks Steve that was a nice gesture i appreciate it

 

cheers John

[HDAV]

hmm interesting one i have seen a very talented 11 year old who is small for his age shoot superbly with a 12Gauge and 21g carts thing is it fits him. IF you have the money to buy a decent gun and have fitted replaced every 6-12 months then not a problem! I would borrow a 410 to see if they are keen then after a few weeks try 20 get the gun fit right and a practised mount (it hurts when you mount it wrong!) then if still keen decide on a 20 or 12 a lightweight fitted 12 with 21g loads is the ideal. Hatsan to a "Junior" 20 bore semi but for ladies and kids its about building muscle memory and strength in the right way as they tend not to have the strength in the upper body its not like a 12 bore weighs 3 times what a 28 bore does you can get 2.8Kg 12 bores (with full size stock) most 28 bores are? 2.5Kg? Yildiz .410 OU is 2.3Kg with a full stock, so a weight saving of 0.5Kg (and thats not the very lightest 12 bore on the market!) How the gun feels is the key tho not the mass cutting down the stock moves the weight forward so becomes tiring and feels heavy. It isn't as simple as just buying a smaller calibre... Try subsonic loads (expensive but less kick)

 

There are plenty of light SxS available