Justintime Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 We lads and lasses the day has arrived, tomorrow at 10:30 after a 3 year battle a make or brake judgment for a re hearing will be delivered.For an unjust revocation and punishment of an innocent man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) At a guess... http://jamesmarchington.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-just-want-to-clear-my-name.html Edited June 21, 2011 by Diceman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 At a guess... http://jamesmarchington.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-just-want-to-clear-my-name.html If it is this then good luck to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 if thats it (and i doubt it is) he`ll need more than luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Oh it sure is. Prepare for the next 'unjust' instalment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Good luck Kev, the legal system is uphill, unfair and expensive. Don't expect to get justice - you will get a decision and perhaps an ending. Some of us would do well to put ourselves in his shoes. For example, and it's not a difficult example to imagine, if some anti told local plod you had waived a gun in their direction, when you hadn't and it was your word against theirs, whereafter you were arrested, had your house spun and all your toys taken away <end of> and nothing to do in your free time for the foreseeable future (apart from spend more time with the missus) then you might not be so flippant. The irony is that the gent in question hasn't been on here banging on about pistols or looking to increase the ft/lbs on an airgun or looking for spurious advice on how to get a pistol for humane dispatch when he has no (and no exposure to) livestock. Accordingly, he hasn't featured on my nut nut radar, unlike some others on here who do actually posses firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I was with you there Mungler,'til that last paragraph of gibberish.There you go again,'banging on about pistols'. We'll have a whip round,see if we can buy you a big baggy jumper to hide that big chip on your shoulder!Do trolls have shoulders? Anyhow,good luck Kevin.You may have to bite the bullet and take things down another route as J Marchington mentions,but best of luck,and stick at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Would you let someone have a gun back who confronted people whilst carrying a gun and then let one go for effect? Reading the blog that's the bones of it and it sounds like he admitted to it in interview however the blog suggests that's not what he meant to say. Not sure I would. And one other thing. You can't make a complaint against individual police officers as they have to be made within 12 months of the incident. You would have to make a complaint against the Chief Constable. Harry Edited June 22, 2011 by Dirty Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I was with you there Mungler,'til that last paragraph of gibberish.There you go again,'banging on about pistols'. I believe that I am entitled to make my own personal observation that there are some obvious nutters on here and that Kev actually isn't one of them. You may think otherwise and you are entitled to your misguided opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 goodluck mate we have walkers on the farm who see fit to walk throu a feild of barley letting there dogs chase the deer .and they give you a stare as if to say what the **** do you want .hope it works out for you .noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Good luck Kev; lets hope that justice is done this time. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Would you let someone have a gun back who confronted people whilst carrying a gun and then let one go for effect? Reading the blog that's the bones of it and it sounds like he admitted to it in interview however the blog suggests that's not what he meant to say. Not sure I would. And one other thing. You can't make a complaint against individual police officers as they have to be made within 12 months of the incident. You would have to make a complaint against the Chief Constable. Harry Isn't this exactly what has caused him his grief in the first place.. semantics and talking at cross purposes ending in different parties understanding different things from what was said? You appear do have done exactly the same.. I read it to suggest that he hadn't fired a shot off but the officer had possibly made assumptions to the effect that he had. It's easily done... Happens all the time in most work places and plod are not immune by any stretch of the imagination, quite possibly worse as it is in thier interest to 'get a result,' misunderstandings, people not very good at getting a point accross, things exagerated and embellished in the heat of the moment or when pushed with a suggestive tone (Neuro linguistic programming.... the police are VERY good at that one during interview) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 It’s mind boggling BUT something we perhaps all need to consider. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to approach people to ask them (firmly but politely) to ‘get back on the footpath’ often whilst I’ve had a gun with me. What am I supposed to do leave it lying around? In many instances the people know full well they shouldn’t be where they are (when they see you they tend to walk quickly in the opposite direction) and I often have to explain they are putting themselves in danger especially if I am stalking and have a rifle with me. I guess, especially when they outnumber me, lies might well be told as to my reactions and what then? I am well aware that I’m the one (as an SGC/FAC holder) with something to lose but what else is one to do when dealing with people who have no respect for PRIVATE property? K Hunter is obviously not a well educated man (no disrespect) and is probably going about things in all the wrong ways. Given the little info we have about his case I don’t think he’ll be getting his licence back (I’d be happy for him if he did) and that’s kinda sad. Good luck chap. For the rest of us we have to be ever more careful. I’d certainly want BASC on my side with something like this! Oh and possibly Mungler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Sorry, chaps, please forgive Dumbo here. I've read this through with interest and on the face of it something doesn't seem fair and could affect us all. However, are we certain that we know for sure whom we're talking about? Have I missed something? Suffice to say that it is to be hoped that there's some clarification later today if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Crikey...difficult one to call this. Although not guilty of any Crime the Authorities have to determine if he passes the requisite criteria to be granted a shotgun certificate. The Moral of the story I suppose is, unless you are the Landowner, when confronted with Members of the Public on Private Property keep well out of the way and report any potential trespass to the Landowner, there again trespass is a very complex law. I have a similar situation on some of the Land I shoot. If I see walkers in the distance potentially straying from the FP I let off a couple of shots to let them Know Im there...Invariably they turn round and walk away. Problem is we are all preciously, sometimes obsessively over protective of the land we shoot over and I think there is probably a bit of that in this case. I dont think its wise to confront anyone with a gun in hand on Private Land. I leave well alone and let the Farmer or land owner take care of it, its not my right to do anything more. It will be interesting to see the outcome. but could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 FM its a very bad idea to use a couple of shots to warn walkers of your presence. If you intend to have a word simply unload the gun have it broken or in a slip and be friendly but firm. We get a lot of people about and simply reminding them where the footpath is usually does the job, Confrontation is best left to others its simply not worth it especially if you are holding a gun. There is loads more to this than meets the eye hence BASC didn't back it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Errr Alex, I think you will find that you have to be a member of BASC to call upon them for their advice, assistance and to enjoy "member" benefits. At the relevant time Kev was not a member of BASC as I remember it. If you get your car stolen or your house burns down, if you phone up an insurer 'after the event' and ask for their help and insurance cover, then they tend to turn you down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) must be the old memory giving up sure they got loads of slating over it at the time but hey ho i'll retract that bit then, though its posts like this that gave the iffy impression http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/68269-basc-or-ca/page__st__30 and this one post 24 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/69389-sacs-what-do-they-support-in-england/page__st__15 and indeed here http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/66078-tresspassers/page__st__15 Edited June 22, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I don't think Kev was a member of any of the shooting associations at the relevant time [a lesson for all of us to learn there]. There was a hoo ha on here, because BASC said "no" you weren't a member at the relevant time and so we can't help, then SACS made a big deal about helping out a non member and there was an issue as to how well that all panned out. Perhaps the people involved first hand can confirm and the rest of us can stop speculating, and sledging eh Alex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 FM its a very bad idea to use a couple of shots to warn walkers of your presence. If you intend to have a word simply unload the gun have it broken or in a slip and be friendly but firm. We get a lot of people about and simply reminding them where the footpath is usually does the job, Confrontation is best left to others its simply not worth it especially if you are holding a gun. There is loads more to this than meets the eye hence BASC didn't back it. No I dont agree at all... The walkers are normally a great distance away possibly a mile or more. A copule of shots in the air, moves the birds and the walkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 sorry to all its quotes like this that gave the impression he had been a member "Sorry mate the dates the plod gave me of the alledged offences i was working, BASC yES HAVE BEEN A MEMBER 5 YEARS, but the insurance dont cover legal expensis and they dont retain lawyers so no insurance cover, I hope you can accept there is a case against the revoke and no charges were brought against me but i can not say too much yet" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Lets ask him for the full SP when he gets back from Court today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 so did the accused ever say he fired a shot while close to the walkers or was this shot fired when they were simply in earshot? (read - within 400 yards) As persons with an interest in shooting/firearms - we really don't have a bright future in britain do we.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Good luck Kev me Mikey Joanna etc wish you the right result don't let the wrigglin ******** off the hook (no room for Barbless here).ATB TAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 The article by James Marchington linked in post 9 of this thread is about as close to "fact" as this thread is likely to get (unless someone wants to pop along to the Court). All the assumptions and speculation is just a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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