sg1 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Aparrently Shotguns will soon be on FAC style ticket and the renewal price 'could' be around £200.00!!! :o :o :o atvb sg1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) The reclassification of shotguns as section 1 firearms. This will not be pursued and BASC understands the Government has talked about simplifying the process of application and renewal which will benefit the shooting community. taken from basc web site. http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/pressreleases.cfm/prid/7D93C9CF-20C3-4C62-9EBBB55477D5278C from official doc 11. We advocate a change in the law to create a single system for the licensing of section 1 firearms and shotguns. Such a system should be based upon the current process for granting licences for section 1 firearms. The benefits of such a system would be two-fold: firstly, we consider that allowing guns to only those individuals who have good reason to hold them strikes the appropriate balance between personal freedoms and public safety, and we see no reason why those applying for a shotgun licence should be exempt from proving ‘good reason’. Secondly, it will render the process considerably more straightforward and, we understand from the police, cheaper to administer. We believe that this can be undertaken in such a way as to avoid any undue restrictions on the use of shotguns. (Paragraph 81) the reply from gov Some controls on firearms might usefully be applied to shotguns, for example a common test of fitness to possess. Other issues, such as ‘good reason’, are more complex – for example, unlike rifle target-shooters, shotgun owners do not always belong to clubs who could vouch that they had shot regularly. The Government is not aware that the current arrangements are causing any difficulties which present a risk to public safety, and there is no evidence of any significant level of misuse using lawfully-held shotguns. This is not to ignore the tragic shootings in Cumbria but as ACC Whiting indicated in his report into the firearms licensing aspects of the incident, had Derrick Bird been required to give a good reason to possess each of his shot guns, then he would have been able to do so. He was also in possession of a rifle for which the test of good reason currently applies. The Government will keep this issue under review but is not presently minded to change the law bearing in mind that the large number of shot guns currently owned (over 1.3 million) would create a significant new workload for firearms licensing departments if they were to be licensed in the same way as section 1 firearms. A Home Office working group including representatives of the police and shooting interests is working to devise a single application form and that group will look into the feasibility of a single certificate. Edited October 3, 2011 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 tbh , its no biggy is it ? you know when your ticket expires so a couple of quid put away each week before then is easy . when you think about it , kids pay a lot more than 200 in driving lessons to get a licence , so do lorry drivers , as do security staff ect ect . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twitchynik Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I suspect the cost of processing SGC's and FAC's is a lot more than the current £50. Hardly surprising then in the days of austerity that imbalances are redressed. Hopefully there'll be options to spread the cost like direct debit for the TV license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I suspect the cost of processing SGC's and FAC's is a lot more than the current £50. Hardly surprising then in the days of austerity that imbalances are redressed. Hopefully there'll be options to spread the cost like direct debit for the TV license. i dont think that will be a option . its a payup or not situation i think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 tbh , its no biggy is it ? you know when your ticket expires so a couple of quid put away each week before then is easy . when you think about it , kids pay a lot more than 200 in driving lessons to get a licence , so do lorry drivers , as do security staff ect ect . True a driving licence and lorry licence cost more presumably because there is a certain amount of lessons involved (not sure about the security licence) I have no problem paying £200 for a SGC/FAC PROVIDING we receive an appropriate service for that outlay .... I don't think it would be unreasonable for land checks and variations to be completed within 7 days. If we are expected to pay extra for our service then that service could be dramatically improved. Oh and £200 PER licence is going to be a bit excessive if you have SGC, FAC and explosives licences, hopefully the current coterminous reductions will be kept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Nothing like keeping up with current affairs The £200 figure covers ALL of the 'reasonable' costs of firearms licensing, however, given that the main (official) purpose of firearms licensing is public safety, it can be argued that the public have a responsibility for at least part of the cost. The fees are going to rise but i'd be surprised if it was to £200, £80-100 is more realistic imho. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I think it will be something like pay up or don't shoot . Got us by the balls I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I know someone is probably going to shout me down as defeatist but if the only extra curb of the civilian ownership of firearms as a result of Bird's actions in Cumbria is the application fee will rise I will call it a right result. Given that there hasn't been an inflation cost rise in the application fee for some time we are due one probably anyway. It would be nice to think that the service that we recieve for our money would improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 The previous discussions on this subject highlighted the fact that the service from the licensing departments had to improve before a price increase could happen. If this is the case, then it could be worth it to us. Especially if the various rules and regulations were applied nationally and not by county as is the case now. I recall a figure of £150 being suggested somewhere in the shooting press. If that were to be the case it is just £30 a year(assuming a license is valid for 5 years like now). Put like that it doesn't seem too bad to me (and I'm on a pension ) It could all have been a lot worse IMO. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenntay Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 ive just been told 4 weeks for a variation due staff holidays so i think £ 50 is too much with this service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 ive just been told 4 weeks for a variation due staff holidays so i think £ 50 is too much with this service 4 weeks?? You're lucky!! Down here in sunny Sussex we have to wait 10 weeks as a matter of course. That's with no staff shortages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 It was 6 weeks in Northamptonshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I don't understand why people start doom and gloom threads about something that might not even happen. What I do know is that over the 5yr course of a licence the BASC will want £330 from me which kind of puts it into perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I don't understand why people start doom and gloom threads about something that might not even happen. What I do know is that over the 5yr course of a licence the BASC will want £330 from me which kind of puts it into perspective Your doom and gloom is someone elses point of view. I read it and its no different to any other normal threads, like talking about the price of peas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I read the whole report the other night after someone put a link up,i could not see anything that caused alarm,increase in fees,fac/sgc combined,proof of need to own cert,3 year renewal !,some sort of test to prove that you are fit to own cert,but it did say that these controls would NOT have prevented the cumbria shootings. While they are about it,they should sort out this moderator nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 My main issue with this would be the effect on shooting as a whole, not because of people not renewing as people who shoot already will probably suck it up as inevitable. The problem will be with new shooters, who realise how difficult it is to get land and decide not to bother in either of two ways: a) just not bother shooting - the death of the sport B) Not bother with a licence - the death of the sport This raise needs to be fought hard and justified!! If they want a 100% raise in price, I would expect to see a turnaround of applications within a week, not three months. If we pay more for the service, the service needs to improve. Not sure why it stuck a smiley in place of an option b :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 True a driving licence and lorry licence cost more presumably because there is a certain amount of lessons involved (not sure about the security licence) I have no problem paying £200 for a SGC/FAC PROVIDING we receive an appropriate service for that outlay .... I don't think it would be unreasonable for land checks and variations to be completed within 7 days. If we are expected to pay extra for our service then that service could be dramatically improved. Oh and £200 PER licence is going to be a bit excessive if you have SGC, FAC and explosives licences, hopefully the current coterminous reductions will be kept. true if ime paying 200 notes i want my ticket back in good time not have tyo send out 3 sets of forms and wait 18 yes thats right 18 month!! for a fac i want it in 2 weeks flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 How much is a lb of peas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 .99p? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 $ 2.60 a lb across the pond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Rip off :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Would I get charged import duty on these if they were a gift for Mrs SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog man Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 im in hampshire i had to wait 20 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk69 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 i would have a problem paying it, it would still be a fair price for a shotgun licence,we must remember thats only 40 quid a yea,r thats less than a pound a week, nothing really, cheers matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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