Royboy Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Ye pigeons dont realy bother me because there good eating. But crows are just so clever and i think they pair up for life so i feel bad that a crow may be depressed if the partner is shot ! Soft **** i know ! haha Edited October 18, 2011 by Royboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Glad there's a few like minded people I had to check what forum I was on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Always put a rabbit with mixy out of its suffering, it is going to die anyway be it then and there or within the next 10 days or so as the illness develops and other infections take hold. If it was a pet rabbit you would be off to the vets to pay to have it euthanised. If i was in that situation (and have been many a time) no other thought than pulling the trigger would cross my mind Definite +1. I can think of no good reason to leave a Mixy'd rabbit if you have the opportunity to cull it, as said it's 99% certain it's going to die and a nasty death at that. I'd be quite happy that you'd done it a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Glad there's a few like minded people I had to check what forum I was on. Next ill be calling for a ban on shooting ! NAAAT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) The antis would hate this thread. Full of stuff they don't want to hear. Don't feel bad about knocking over a diseased animal. Its an act of mercy. Its the people who let mixy and VHD loose in the first place who should be guilt stricken. Edited October 18, 2011 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Next ill be calling for a ban on shooting ! NAAAT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 On the three occasions I have shot a Corvid the first was a Magpie and I felt good for shooting it as I think they are awful birds, next time was a Jackdaw and I did feel a pang of guilt as I know these are not such a nasty bird and feed mainly on insects, then a giant Carrion Crow which I just threw in the ditch and did not think anything about it. Rabbits with mixy I always shoot without hesitation what a cruel and awful disease introduced by man. If you have any hesitation or second thought about your target dont shoot. Pigeons and rabbits I'll shoot all day long as I know they will be eaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Great sport wish there was more on my permissions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 fark me are you on the right website, shouldn't you be on one for vegans Not really mate, I've shot more rabbits and pigeons than I can remember. There's a time and place though right? Or do you just kill everything you see because you can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm truely baffled, lost for words. Thought i must have opened a page on an anti hunting site. Not sure whether to feel guilty now for shooting beautifull coloured or clever creatures. Or just give up shooting altogether in fear of reproach from the members who thinks shooting one species of live quarry is more wrong then shooting another species of quarry for what ever reason. :yp: :yp: :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm truely baffled, lost for words. Thought i must have opened a page on an anti hunting site. Not sure whether to feel guilty now for shooting beautifull coloured or clever creatures. Or just give up shooting altogether in fear of reproach from the members who thinks shooting one species of live quarry is more wrong then shooting another species of quarry for what ever reason. :yp: :yp: :yp: Perhaps some members are trying to show that they respect the quarry species and the so called pests and vermin and that shooting is just not gunning down every thing you see with out an inkling of compassion . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 some wild conclusions on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 What a bunch of pussy's, if you feel bad about it then don't do it, if it has to be done then get on with it, being half way in the middle will only add suffering to the quarry. I like fox's and dont shoot them unless I have a job to do, I'd rather being doing it than a mad and deranged farmer running round with a 12gauge full of 9 shot. I like grey partridges and only raise the lens to em, frenchmen get a differant approach. Carrion crows need sorting as they havent much in nature to keep em undercheck, Rooks do alot of good taking leather jackets out of pasture and I like them. Sometimes the local farmer wants them shot off freshly seeded ground and thats what I do. Pigeons, rabbits and deer get eaten and, as harsh and cold hearted it may sound I have never spilt me tears into a bowl of venison stew yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Perhaps some members are trying to show that they respect the quarry species and the so called pests and vermin and that shooting is just not gunning down every thing you see with out an inkling of compassion . Compassion means to pity some thing. If i'm going out with a gun, it generally means i'm going out with the intent of killing some thing with out feeling pity for it. It doesn't mean i got blood lust and gun down any thing that moves, far from it infact. I quiet like seeing nature in its glory and seeing quarry species going about their business, with out raising my gun to shoot them just for that sake of it. But as for feeling pity for what ever i have shot, then that simpley doesn't make sense to me. Its like saying you love eating meat, but you pity the animal that has to die to provide the meat. As above posted a bit earlier, if you feel like that then simpley don't do it, as it will only end up with badly shot and wounded quarry because your half hearted about shooting it in the first place and your shooting will not be as true as it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 There's nothing wrong in showing respect, even sympathy for the quarry. People from cultures who still hunt, not for sport or commercial gain but for daily survival all share, wherever they come from in the world, a deep reverence for the creature they have killed. The kill is a gift, a deliverence from starvation, and there is always the greatest respect for the gravity of the bargain that has been struck with nature and a determination to be worthy of it. The universality of this behaviour which links people who have never met and know nothing of each other's existence indicates, to my mind, a healthy evolutionary response. Without the moderating quality of humility in his genes the hunter might develope blood-lust or a casual wastefulness which could deplete his food source and threaten his own survival. It cannot be a coincidence that almost no animal, or none that I can think of, when living in its natural state, kills for entertainment. Modern humans have only been around for 250,000 years, a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. We haven't changed; we're still essentially hunter-gatherers. The urge to hunt is primevel. I want to eat the thing I kill, or I kill it to protect something I am conserving to eat. If you kill without such imperatives driving you and you experience afterwards an uneasy feeling of having committed a violation, that is not the learned moral judgement of the 'anti' or the whole-Earth dungeree wearing bunnie-huggers who have been conditioned into falsifying their consciences to please others; and it does not make you weak or soft hearted. It is a hard-wired genetic warning that you have broken a natural order. You should be thankful you can still hear the warning through all the cultural noise. If you kill without knowing why, or caring, or out of boredom, or to tick off numbers on a list, or because you can, or because you think thats what country people do, or because its a laugh, you have taken a turn down an evolutionary dead-end, as have so many millions of others, and there is something wrong with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) There's nothing wrong in showing respect, even sympathy for the quarry. People from cultures who still hunt, not for sport or commercial gain but for daily survival all share, wherever they come from in the world, a deep reverence for the creature they have killed. The kill is a gift, a deliverence from starvation, and there is always the greatest respect for the gravity of the bargain that has been struck with nature and a determination to be worthy of it. The universality of this behaviour which links people who have never met and know nothing of each other's existence indicates, to my mind, a healthy evolutionary response. Without the moderating quality of humility in his genes the hunter might develope blood-lust or a casual wastefulness which could deplete his food source and threaten his own survival. It cannot be a coincidence that almost no animal, or none that I can think of, when living in its natural state, kills for entertainment. Modern humans have only been around for 250,000 years, a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. We haven't changed; we're still essentially hunter-gatherers. The urge to hunt is primevel. I want to eat the thing I kill, or I kill it to protect something I am conserving to eat. If you kill without such imperatives driving you and you experience afterwards an uneasy feeling of having committed a violation, that is not the learned moral judgement of the 'anti' or the whole-Earth dungeree wearing bunnie-huggers who have been conditioned into falsifying their consciences to please others; and it does not make you weak or soft hearted. It is a hard-wired genetic warning that you have broken a natural order. You should be thankful you can still hear the warning through all the cultural noise. If you kill without knowing why, or caring, or out of boredom, or to tick off numbers on a list, or because you can, or because you think thats what country people do, or because its a laugh, you have taken a turn down an evolutionary dead-end, as have so many millions of others, and there is something wrong with you. Nice one man, but hey less of the verbal and just pass the spliff. :blink: :blink: Gimlet is actually Neil off the 'young ones'. Edited October 20, 2011 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Have to say, I always get a pang of guilt when I get a runner.....dog gets sent then have to take it from her and finish it off, ducks get me every time don't have a problem if they're dead on the ground/water but either way I still have time to admire their plumage. If I didn't eat what I shoot i'd not bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Perhaps some members are trying to show that they respect the quarry species and the so called pests and vermin and that shooting is just not gunning down every thing you see with out an inkling of compassion . Compassion means to pity some thing. If i'm going out with a gun, it generally means i'm going out with the intent of killing some thing with out feeling pity for it. It doesn't mean i got blood lust and gun down any thing that moves, far from it infact. I quiet like seeing nature in its glory and seeing quarry species going about their business, with out raising my gun to shoot them just for that sake of it. But as for feeling pity for what ever i have shot, then that simpley doesn't make sense to me. Its like saying you love eating meat, but you pity the animal that has to die to provide the meat. As above posted a bit earlier, if you feel like that then simpley don't do it, as it will only end up with badly shot and wounded quarry because your half hearted about shooting it in the first place and your shooting will not be as true as it was. Well said, that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I don't feel bad for killing animals be it for pleasure or a cull. Just decided that I carnt be bothered to shoot partridge or pheasant. Then again I seem to be losing interest in shooting anything but fox. Last week I got 2 blokes to come ferret rabbits and this Sunday I'm letting a couple of lads have a go at pigeons on fresh drillings. Checked earlier and ther was 600-800 birds. They should get a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) For years i was shooting shotgun on some land but needed a section 1 shotgun and 22lr to control the pigeons and rabbits. I went and knocked at land owners door and hes wife said he was at a meeting and asked if she could help.I explained i needed a fac and the firearms i needed but was going to ask if her husband was ok with this. She said are u going to kill crows :blink: i said sorry? she said are u going to kill crows.I replyed yes she took the paperwork from my hands and told me to come back in half hour and she will get it signed I think she didnt like crows Edited October 22, 2011 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 My good friend and shooting buddy, will shoot pigeons, and loves to shoot crows and magpies but will not shoot rabbits, as they are fluffy and don't do him any harm!! I on the other hand, enjoy the sport of shoot anything on general licence and get pleasure from a good clean shot but no joy from their death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I gained one of my permission because of his corvid problem, only a small farm but I'm the only shooter and have the run of the place the rest of the year, as long as I'm there for the crops. The only ones i do not touch are Jays not that many about, but would if that ever changed. I think if you really thought about it you could feel guilty about shooting anything, recently when away in our caravan, i put my walking boots on that were in the awning and almost broke a toe! when i tipped up my boot 2 acorns fell out. Soft i know but that squirrel had came in and hidden his winter food, happened again to a trainer the next day. But since then I've shot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Trainers or squirrels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Trainers or squirrels? Put it this way the laces were a bit stringy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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