SilentKill Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Rumour has it that Avon & Somerset are making their FLO's redundant in April 2012? and their duites are to be managed by Uniformed ARV's? not sure how much truth is in this rumour, it does not affect me directly but has anyone heard anything on the subject? Seems a leap back in time if they do? Edited November 23, 2011 by SilentKill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 That would be a crying shame One of their FLO's went to incredible lengths to help my brother overcome problems related to identity theft and impersonation to help him get his SGC. Won't go into the full details but the chap really put himself out. An absolute gent in every way and it would be a crime to make people like him redundant! Realise some FLO's get bad press but they haven't got the easiest of jobs and if you ask me there are some genuinely good ones that deserve some credit and our support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Uniformed ARV's ?that could get interesting !?!?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Uniformed ARV's ?that could get interesting !?!?!! What's an ARV when it's at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Armed Response Vehicle or the guys with MP5's, known for doing spot checks on shooters with helicopter in tow from time to time! Aka SO19/CO19 or the flying squad! Met a local one nice guy off duty.... Edited November 23, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Armed Response Vechile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Really BAD idea if true. Yes it's awful that the FEOs will get got, but think of the security viewpoint - ARV turns up outside your house - far more obvious that something's up than a knackered old plain car with a (generally!) middle aged chap at the helm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Really BAD idea if true. Yes it's awful that the FEOs will get got, but think of the security viewpoint - ARV turns up outside your house - far more obvious that something's up than a knackered old plain car with a (generally!) middle aged chap at the helm... Couldn't agree more. An ARV pulling up outside is the last thing I'd want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Rumour has it that Avon & Somerset are making their FLO's redundant in April 2012? and their duites are to be managed by Uniformed ARV's? not sure how much truth is in this rumour, it does not affect me directly but has anyone heard anything on the subject? Seems a leap back in time if they do? Hopefully someone is pulling your string.......can't see that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 My FLO Comes in a plain car, not avdertising whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well I agree with all of the above, my source is a solid one but obviously I will reserve judgement until it happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 The A&S FEO I have met is an excellent and really helpful bloke. About 8 feet tall with massive feet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I am led to believe this is true. Probably all down to cuts in income. Little we can do, but hope it all goes smoothly we are, of course, keen to hear from any member who has problems and we will do all we can to help. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Yep, you can see it happening: Group 4 for Dorset and here in Devon and Cornwall, it'll be Serco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 It's being outsourced privately? Great :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Really BAD idea if true. Yes it's awful that the FEOs will get got, but think of the security viewpoint - ARV turns up outside your house - far more obvious that something's up than a knackered old plain car with a (generally!) middle aged chap at the helm... I would imagine the chap would turn up in plain clothes and in an unmarked car because im hoping they would appreciate that a uniformed officer would draw unwanted attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I would imagine the chap would turn up in plain clothes and in an unmarked car because im hoping they would appreciate that a uniformed officer would draw unwanted attention. Not necessarily. Before FEO's were invented the local Bobby came out on his bike to deliver your license and check security, leaving his bike at your garden gate for all and sundry to see !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Really? This is bad news. My FEO is a nice chap and really knows his shooting. Better get my FAC application in quickly :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Staffordshire made 8 FEO s redundant about 10 months ago The arv have been out to me twice for a renewal and an address change . The lads turned up in all the gear but the cars here are unmarked . They still have some FEO but they can't keep up with the paperwork my renewal for SGC took 5 1/2 months. My ticket was 3 1/2 months out of date The arv lads said they cancel around 50% of their appointments every day because of jobs cropping up Things can only get worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I would imagine the chap would turn up in plain clothes and in an unmarked car because im hoping they would appreciate that a uniformed officer would draw unwanted attention. I doubt it; an ARV officer who doesn't wear uniform with the purpose of visiting hapless gun owners is ... An FEO. Surely? I imagine some beancounter somewhere thinks that ARV folk know firearms (not necessarily true) and that FEO work takes little time (also untrue AFAIK). This project is doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytim38 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Its already happening in South Wales, had two uniformed :yp: armed response officers complete with 9mm glocks and tazers :o turn up in may, to check my security arrangements, for my SG renewal :o Edited November 24, 2011 by tinytim38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 This sounds ridiculous. ARV officers are for spontanious firearms incidents, not checking security and if someone is suitable to own a firearm. This will not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 This sounds ridiculous. ARV officers are for spontanious firearms incidents, not checking security and if someone is suitable to own a firearm. This will not work. Doesn't mean they can't be trained, after all most FLO's are Civvies. However you have to feel for the FLO's who will lose their job as they are no doubt experienced in what they do. subsequently the new system would lose that personal touch that most FAC holders have with their current FLO's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Whether it works or not it's already here under the guise of saving money . Instead of managing properly the departments they have . My Feo is an ex chief inspector who used to be head of firearms and dogs . It's all jobs for the boys . Got as far up the ranks as possible . Retire on final salary pension then come back as civilian employee. Surprise he managed to survive the redundancies . As there are now only 2 in the county that do the paper sift and the arv do the frontline checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 You never know it could work for the best. A lot of firearms police do have an interest in guns and are less scared of them than most. I took an so19 officer clay shooting a while back he loved it. Though the are you allowed that when the auto came out was a little worrying. What it might do is get the people who deal at the sharp end of call outs to meet a lot of the local shooters and help to reduce instances of them over reacting to people in cammo in fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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