Hopper Bopper Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Hi guys, Just for my own understanding and clarification. just seen in a different post that lamping woodies is illegal. Can any one shed any light on this? Cheers HB Edited March 18, 2012 by Hopper Bopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 It is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Illegal-search on here and you will see it has been covered many times. I believe the only pigeons that can be lamed are ferals when they are in a building. Anthony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi guys, Just for my own understanding and clarification. just seen in a different post that lamping woodies is illegal. Can any one shed any light on this? Cheers HB no, as its against the law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Bopper Posted March 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies to all. Does any one know why it is illegal considering other lamping is legal? HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Answering in the style of a man falling off a cliff, NOooooooooooo Not sure of the exact reason but probably not very sporting, rabbits feed at night, foxes feed at night and when they all sleep they do it underground in holes, Pigeons and birds etc sleep in the open air on branches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 no, as its against the law :lol: :lol: colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies to all. Does any one know why it is illegal considering other lamping is legal? HB yes we know why it is illegal , its because the goverment decided it was under the terms of the general licence it is illegal to use "artifical light" to shoot any wild birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Bopper Posted March 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Once again, thanks for all the replies - even the 'funny' answers. atb HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 yes we know why it is illegal , its because the goverment decided it was under the terms of the general licence it is illegal to use "artifical light" to shoot any wild birds. Far to short this thread............. This is all to easy and sensible, please tell, if I am out shooting next to the secure site with floodlights everywhere, which, without any intention throw enough light onto my land to clearly see certain feathered quarry at night is this illegal? I am not using any artificial light and have no intention to do so, and if you say yes it is illegal, then who draws the line on how far away I have to be or who gives me an eye test to show what I can see and where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Clear sky and full moon can be good , done it for years as a teenager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Dekers It would not be illegal per see unless you are shooting within 50 ft of the center of the A412 which under European directive 463 section 3B categorises the A412 as a SSSI and specifically prohibits the use of light pollution to control birds. However, section 3cpermits the use of mirrors to dazzle corvids only, whilst using a catapult for the first 4 hours and 10 minutes after sunset. I hope this helps. Edited March 18, 2012 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Far to short this thread............. This is all to easy and sensible, please tell, if I am out shooting next to the secure site with floodlights everywhere, which, without any intention throw enough light onto my land to clearly see certain feathered quarry at night is this illegal? I am not using any artificial light and have no intention to do so, and if you say yes it is illegal, then who draws the line on how far away I have to be or who gives me an eye test to show what I can see and where? Floodlights are artificial light, so if it enables you to see the birds then you are using it. Night time is considered as 1 hour after sun set to 1 hour before sun rise. So if you are out within those times you cannot shoot wood pigeons. Better still, if in doubt dont shoot at all Edited March 18, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies to all. Does any one know why it is illegal considering other lamping is legal? HB You need to read the Natural England Licence. You are only permitted to shoot things on the General Licence and only in accordance with the terms for those species. No one should be shooting anything without knowing and working in accordance with the licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Floodlights are artificial light, so if it enables you to see the birds then you are using it. Night time is considered as 1 hour after sun set to 1 hour before sun rise. So if you are out within those times you cannot shoot wood pigeons. Better still, if in doubt dont shoot at all Where in legislation does it say this, I regularly shoot ducks under the moon on the marsh, or should I say I used to in my younger days. The 1 hour bit, as far as I know, only refers to deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 the eu is planning on outlawing the consumption of carrots within one month of any planned pigeon shooting as this would give the shooter a unfair advantage in low light conditions. rural police forces are to be issued with portable testing units which will pick up excessive levels of carrot in the bloodstream. penalty will be £1000 or six months imprisonment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Where in legislation does it say this, I regularly shoot ducks under the moon on the marsh, or should I say I used to in my younger days. The 1 hour bit, as far as I know, only refers to deer. We are talking about lamping woodys. I was referring to what would be considered as night time. Throughout the BASC web site, it reads, night time (between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 We are talking about lamping woodys. I was referring to what would be considered as night time. Throughout the BASC web site, it reads, night time (between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise) I am quite aware we are talking Wood Pigeon. The shooting of Wood Pigeon is, as you know, subject to the conditions of the General License which details what may and may not be done. Nothing in the GL prohibits the shooting of Wood Pigeon in moonlight or limits shooting to 1 hour after and before sunset/sunrise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 U can shoot ferrals in buildings with a lamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) I am quite aware we are talking Wood Pigeon. The shooting of Wood Pigeon is, as you know, subject to the conditions of the General License which details what may and may not be done. Nothing in the GL prohibits the shooting of Wood Pigeon in moonlight or limits shooting to 1 hour after and before sunset/sunrise. No, but it does refer to feral pigeons ONLY, being shot at night, which is considered to be between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise. Nowhere does it suggest it is OK to shoot roosting wood pigeons under moonlight either. Wouldn't it be better not to, just to be on the safe side ? or would you say to the Original Poster, that you are 100% sure its fine, and legal, to shoot wood pigeons at night under moon light Interpret the legislation as you will. Me personally would not recommend doing it. Edited March 18, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 A genuine question. Why do people keep referring to being allowed to lamp ferals in buildings? (not just in this thread, seen it before as well). This is what GL4 says:(link here) (d) in relation to the killing or taking of Feral Pigeon (Columba livia) only:i. to use any device for illuminating a target or any sighting device for night shooting; ii. to use any form of artificial lighting or any mirror or other dazzling device. no mention of buildings at all. Is this covered elsewhere? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I was always under the impression that lamping woodpigeons, or other birds, was illegal to prevent poachers lamping roosting pheasants and claiming they were actually lamping something else. Don't forget many of our firearms and hunting laws are designed to accommodate the sporting estate owner. When I was a lad the usual technique for poaching pheasants was going into a covert with a bike lamp and a fourten/airgun. All this was before the EU and the Wildlife Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Floodlights are artificial light, so if it enables you to see the birds then you are using it. Night time is considered as 1 hour after sun set to 1 hour before sun rise. So if you are out within those times you cannot shoot wood pigeons. Better still, if in doubt dont shoot at all First off you are taking this a little to seriously, and second, are you seriously suggesting that if my neighbour has a wonky floodlight, misbeahing PIR, torch he scans about with or a plane comes over with a landing light then I can't shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Either way from a newbie reading this thread point of view its not a good idea to be lamping anything other than bunnies and foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 First off you are taking this a little to seriously, and second, are you seriously suggesting that if my neighbour has a wonky floodlight, misbeahing PIR, torch he scans about with or a plane comes over with a landing light then I can't shoot? Firstly, whats wrong with answering a serious question with a serious answer Second, yeah, or a flying saucer lights up the tree, can you still shoot, what if.... what if... Just trying to help the OP so he does not end up posting a picture of his bag of woodys he shot one night lamping, Im sure you would be one of the first to jump on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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