debaser Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I've been told by a mate CS doesn't work, but pepper spray does. I've heard the best thing is a CO2 fire extinguisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I've heard the best thing is a CO2 fire extinguisher. Seen them using one on various cop shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pest Expert Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 send me the link guys pleasee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 wasnt aware the Met had CS? there you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Fraid Plod set themselves up for this. Talk about Keystone Cops. How did it come to pass that they were not ready to deal with the fact of a dog in the house. Someone needs to carry the can for poor intelligence. And then when they forced their way in did they not hear the dog barking? Having known beforehand that a dog was going to be present why wasn't the dog squad there to deal with it. It's not all about setting German Shepherds on to football fans and Countryside Alliance members. Dog squad would have been equipped with gauntlets and tethers and catchpoles. How about assigning a specialist to deal with the dog while the raid is ongoing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG wales Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 OMG I have just watched this footage,I will not post it, as It relates to something from a horror,savage,very brutal and the merciless screams,coming from the injured police officer,had me turn it off. if you want to watch google for it,but I wont be looking again These dogs should be shot,I know its not their fault and the onus relates to the owner,but I am afraid I would not hesitate, in shooting dead any dog that attacked someone like this in my area. I hope the officers that were attacked make a full recovery. COULD YOU P.M ME THE LINK PLEASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard.Hosgood Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Quick search on youtube will find you the footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 send me the link guys pleasee already been posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Jeez, you lot are harsh. I've never been attacked by a dog - whether a fighting breed or not, so I can't say how painful it is or how easy it is to get it off and I assume most of you haven't either, so sitting there calling people cowards is a bit much. The copper walking away seems to be limping so he probably just been attacked himself and as there is no footage of what happened just before you can't jump to conclusions. I believe a dog like that in attack mode will keep attacking to the death and punching hitting or spraying the thing will probably do very little but **** it off even more. As for not having good enough intelligence before going in, well according to the reports they were arresting some scrote for GBH and kidnapping so they may not have had the luxury of time, and certainly not the money for extensive intel and surveillance. The police can often be petty, condescending and have a superiority complex but they go into unknown situations, unarmed and generally do a dirty job well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky-shot Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 That copper who jumped onto the wall and abandoned his collegue needs sacking for cowardice. :good: don't need mates like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker2 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Oh my god! That's terrible! I'm having mixed feelings about this though, part of me feels for the copper who the dog was latched onto and another part of me can't understand why they didn't get it sorted more quickly. I couldn't stand and watch that and the guy being bitten was in as good a position so sort it as anyone. If a dog bites your arm you use it to your advantage. Push across and down on it to make it side step - you'll most likely be able to force it to fall over sideways. If your other arm is still functioning then grabbing it's far front leg from underneat it really helps. Once it's lead on it's side you fall to your knees on it's ribs. That in an ideal world results in broken ribs, punctured lungs and a dog that's in no fit shape to fight. It will most likely kill it. At the very least you force it into a position of submission where it doesn't have the dexterity to get up even if it wants to so the only damage it can do is to what it already has hold of. I play fight with every large dog I know and use this tactic (well the first bit at least). I haven't found a dog yet that I can't bowl over like a small child and pin it down. I simply make it a fun game and hold it rather than fall on it but the basic skill of getting it over and on the floor is now second nature. I've done it to Boxers, Alsations, Dobermans, Labs - all sorts. If I was in pain I think it would be my natural reaction because I know it works. Trying to back away will never solve anything. Perhaps it helps that I've always reacted well to bad situations? I don't know why but I don't get all crazy when things go wrong. If something hurts me I'll sort it, if you leap out from behind something and surprise me I'll grab you rather than jump? I have no idea why I react that way but it's got me out of some horrible situations in the past! :look: i cannot believe someone has sat down and thought about the utter rubbish you have typed the guy was in DANGER, fear had taken over and he was injured and your talking about rolling a pitbull over and stroking its belly ? a banned breed of dog who's idiotic owner obviously keeps it to intimidate people so he cannot be prosecuted for having an offensive weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 :good: don't need mates like that I'd like to see you go back in after you'd had three fingers almost chewed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Apart from Fn Falcon and Stalker2, you lot need to go and think about the utter **** posted on this thread. I'm ashamed to be associated with Pigeon Watch at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky-shot Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd like to see you go back in after you'd had three fingers almost chewed off. so you would just let your mate get it from the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I have been unlucky enough to be faced with a protective Doberman, you can plan all you like but the speed in which you are shreaded is quite awesome. One quick flash of the teeth and you will need stitching up. Looking at the footage though you would not want work mates like that around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky-shot Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Apart from Fn Falcon and Stalker2, you lot need to go and think about the utter **** posted on this thread. I'm ashamed to be associated with Pigeon Watch at the moment. """"off to a different forum then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 so you would just let your mate get it from the dog. I'd like to think that I'd go back, but unlike you I'm realistic enough to understand that I will never know the answer to that until I'm in a similar situation. One thing I would NEVER do is criticise someone's actions if I wasn't there and in a similar amount of pain and suffering the same level of shock as the injured cop was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 so you would just let your mate get it from the dog. seems a few facts are missing from this thread first off 3 coppers are STILL in hospital and in total FIVE needed hospital treatment, they aint cowards who stood by and watched one get attacked, they were already injured, second fact is 99% of the warriors on here would have been on the shoulders of the guy on the wall if they had been there (apart from our site dog whisperer) he would have been sectioned under the mental health act. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker2 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 seems a few facts are missing from this thread first off 3 coppers are STILL in hospital and in total FIVE needed hospital treatment, they aint cowards who stood by and watched one get attacked, they were already injured, second fact is 99% of the warriors on here would have been on the shoulders of the guy on the wall if they had been there (apart from our site dog whisperer) he would have been sectioned under the mental health act. KW hey Kieth , you've got it mate a dog whisperer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Bloomin 'eck, half the story and the poor blokes are being crucified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) The thing is they smashed down the door any one with any common when planning a raid should have known the dog was there ok the police got bitten but surely the dog was not at fault it was doing what it was trained for proctecting his masters house some one should get there **** kicked for this cock up but they willl blame the dog Mark Edited March 23, 2012 by mark@mbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 seems a few facts are missing from this thread first off 3 coppers are STILL in hospital and in total FIVE needed hospital treatment, they aint cowards who stood by and watched one get attacked, they were already injured, second fact is 99% of the warriors on here would have been on the shoulders of the guy on the wall if they had been there (apart from our site dog whisperer) he would have been sectioned under the mental health act. KW My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 i cannot believe someone has sat down and thought about the utter rubbish you have typed the guy was in DANGER, fear had taken over and he was injured and your talking about rolling a pitbull over and stroking its belly ? a banned breed of dog who's idiotic owner obviously keeps it to intimidate people so he cannot be prosecuted for having an offensive weapon Dogs are very strong for their size, however humans are much smarter and heavier. It strikes me that these officers had no training on how to deal with an aggressive ( and actually not all that large ) dog. One officer appears to be actually offering the dog his arm to bite, like in dog training, I don't know why he thought that would help. As NJC110381 wrote, you can control a dog using weight and intelligence - as long as you don't panic - although if it was me I would be backing slowly away and kicking it hard every time it came near. It might have a strong bite, but it'll hurt a lot less through a boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'm not a dog handler but work with them a lot and can add a bit to this. First off I carry CS and this does not work on dogs. Don't know why but it has been tested and it just does not work. Pepper spray does and some forces have changed over to it. There are pros and cons with both. Tasers work a treat and that's a good reason to carry them. For those who want to criticise the planning or ask why they went in the first place when a dog was in there...... How long had the dog been there, was it the owners or just visiting, did the police even know it was there, can you see through walls and ID a dangerous dog, does a dangerous dog look different from a friendly one before its hanging off your arm, do you really think you would be able to think straight when you have a dog on your arm? There are so many questions and possibilities and I don't think it's fair for you lot to rip into them without knowing the full facts, which you won't know as you were not there and were not involved in the planning. Just to put into perspective what these dogs can do a friend of mine was dealing with a pit bull at work. The dog had been friendly with him for about an hour and suddenly turned on him. It clamped onto his inner thigh and did not release for about 10 minutes. During this time they hit it with fists and batons. Kicked it, tried to pry its jaws open and the bloke he was with put a pressure washer into the dogs mouth and turned it on. Even then it did not release straight away. When it did release he crawled away and then it bit onto the calf ripping a big hole and revealing the bone. The officer in question was very experienced with dogs. He is ex forces, very fit and a strong bloke. If it can do this to him it could do it to any one of us. At a different job another mate of mine shot a pit with 00 buck from a few meters. After the first it got straight back up. The second shot put it back down and the third and forth made sure it was as humane as possible. They were all within 10 seconds. Having said all that I would like to think if I had been at that job in the Met I would have gone to help the officer. I have been on the receiving end of a few dog bites and luckily none of them clamped on. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker2 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 here we go with "you cant blame the dogy" i blame the dog and its owner like i have said knuckle heads and drug dealers keep these type of animals for intimidation so they cannot be prosecuted for having an offensive weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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