djgeoff Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 my son rang me to say he is thinking of joining Countryside Alliance as its on offer £30 year, i said hang on untill i have asked on forum. so is this Countryside Alliance any good, as he wants to go rough shooting and will require public liability etc. thanks geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 its a one off this year offer, the CA stood up on TV during the foxhunting debate, saying how shooters should be banned, my card went back the same day, BASC is the way forwards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 its a one off this year offer, the CA stood up on TV during the foxhunting debate, saying how shooters should be banned, my card went back the same day, +1 BASC for me also, they are the mutts nuts! BASC is the way forwards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 BASC all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 I am insured through http://www.ccc3.org.uk/?page=home I find it very good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 BASC is the way forwards, BASC all the way Here we go again There are many equally viable alternatives. Some of which are better motivated to help an individual at their point of need. BASC is not necessarily the best option for everyone. maybe just the best known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 my son rang me to say he is thinking of joining Countryside Alliance as its on offer £30 year, i said hang on untill i have asked on forum. so is this Countryside Alliance any good, as he wants to go rough shooting and will require public liability etc. thanks geoff I am insured through http://www.ccc3.org.uk/?page=home I find it very good value. I know this has been done to death, If all your son is looking for is insurance then look no further than what Blaser has suggested. These are the guys I'm with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I am insured through http://www.ccc3.org.uk/?page=home I find it very good value. Thanks for the link;will pass it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNS Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Bobt: "the CA stood up on TV during the foxhunting debate, saying how shooters should be banned" Have you a source for that? I'm a member of the CA as well as BASC, but if you're right I'll be ceasing my CA membership straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Bobt: "the CA stood up on TV during the foxhunting debate, saying how shooters should be banned" Have you a source for that? I'm a member of the CA as well as BASC, but if you're right I'll be ceasing my CA membership straight away. Of course he hasn't got a source for it - he's talking twoddle. Did the CA say that shooting foxes sometimes results in injury? Yes. Did that line get over used / over egged ? Yes (although personally I think given the position hunting with hounds was in at the time, its understandable that the nuances of all the arguments didn't come across). Did the CA ever say "shooters should be banned". Did they hell as like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I used to be a member of the CA (and the BFSS), but hard times meant I could only afford to belong to one organisation. I don't hunt (but attended the various rallies and marches before the ban), fish rarely but shoot and stalk a great deal. BASC isn't perfect, but it is purely concerned with shooting, so I went with them. I have heard that the CA won't payout if you are covered by any other insurance, but not sure if BASC operate a similar policy. One thing which did stick in my gullet recently was an email from the CA inviting me to a countryside race day, which was signed by 'the Lady Mancroft'....perhaps I am an inverted snob, but I don't think that helps dispell the myth that country sports are for the landed gentry only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Any insurance policy specifies that you can only claim once and often that if your renewal date for one policy preceeds the other you should claim on the first policy datewise. Fineprint job but BASC is not the insurer, they buy it in so its not likely to be any different to the normal insurance market place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I have been a member of the Bfss WAGBI and the CA I was also on the steering committee of the Scottish Countryside Aiance all through the hunting debate All the above outfits have their pros and cons I am now a member of SACS thats my choice as I get up to £100,000 legal fees insurance as standard. I therefore have access to a legal team I otherwise could'nt afford in the past I have seen innocent guys convicted due to the incompetance of certain legal aid lawyers that will not happen to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Bobt: "the CA stood up on TV during the foxhunting debate, saying how shooters should be banned" Have you a source for that? I'm a member of the CA as well as BASC, but if you're right I'll be ceasing my CA membership straight away. it was a CA spokesman interviewed on TV, he didnt say shooting should be banned in so many words, but his words meant the same thing, he was talking about shooters wounding foxes and how when the hounds catch one, they dont get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Of course he hasn't got a source for it - he's talking twoddle. Did the CA say that shooting foxes sometimes results in injury? Yes. Did that line get over used / over egged ? Yes (although personally I think given the position hunting with hounds was in at the time, its understandable that the nuances of all the arguments didn't come across). Did the CA ever say "shooters should be banned". Did they hell as like. Spot on. it was a CA spokesman interviewed on TV, he didnt say shooting should be banned in so many words, but his words meant the same thing, he was talking about shooters wounding foxes and how when the hounds catch one, they dont get away. I watched the interview. He in no way said shooting should be banned, you are perpetuating that silly urban myth. In the interview and discussion, at the height of the media frenzy on banning hunting, he mentioned, as part of a long discussion, that with hunting the fox is either killed or gets away, unlike shooting where wounding can occur. Hardly anti shooting, particularly when one remembers that the CA/BFSS have been promoting shooting for more years than I care to remember. Many of the current pro shooting and public awareness ideas have been instigated by the CA, such as the game to eat campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Graffius Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Let me declare my interest first. I'm a member of BASC staff. Of course the CA isn't anti-shooting, but they are first and foremost a hunting organisation. One mustn't blame them for their occasional loose comments on shooting during the debates on banning hunting. They were often under great pressure and people can say things in that situation which they regret later. I vividly remember walking out of a fringe meeting at a Conservative Party conference where a platform speaker at a CA meeting said that if lamping was allowed to continue the countryside would be full of wounded foxes and dead children. Having said that the CA are desperate to recruit shooters, hence the offer, and have always refused to say how much they actually spend supporting shooting. You will have to decide if any money you pay them will go where you want it to go. Membership of a field sports organisation isn't just about insurance. It's also about supporting your sport and making sure it's properly represented. In addition there are services such as firearms advice and help with licencing and advice, courses and events and much more. I would recommend joining the porganisation that backs your particular interest - and don't rule out joining more than one. I'm in three. Christopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Let me declare my interest first. I'm a member of BASC staff. Of course the CA isn't anti-shooting, but they are first and foremost a hunting organisation. One mustn't blame them for their occasional loose comments on shooting during the debates on banning hunting. They were often under great pressure and people can say things in that situation which they regret later. I vividly remember walking out of a fringe meeting at a Conservative Party conference where a platform speaker at a CA meeting said that if lamping was allowed to continue the countryside would be full of wounded foxes and dead children. Having said that the CA are desperate to recruit shooters, hence the offer, and have always refused to say how much they actually spend supporting shooting. You will have to decide if any money you pay them will go where you want it to go. Membership of a field sports organisation isn't just about insurance. It's also about supporting your sport and making sure it's properly represented. In addition there are services such as firearms advice and help with licencing and advice, courses and events and much more. I would recommend joining the porganisation that backs your particular interest - and don't rule out joining more than one. I'm in three. Christopher Very Good Have a little dig at the CA then jazz up the company you work for. Please tell us, how much of our subs paid to the CA goes to shooting ?. You seem to imply that not a lot. As a BASC man could you please tell us how much of our subs after insurance is spent supporting shooting MINUS WAGES to BASC employers/employes Edited July 31, 2012 by the pelt man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Very Good Have a little dig at the CA then jazz up the company you work for. Please tell us, how much of our subs paid to the CA goes to shooting ?. You seem to imply that not a lot. As a BASC man could you please tell us how much of our subs after insurance is spent supporting shooting MINUS WAGES to BASC employers/employes IMHO first and fore most BASC is a Business To be fair: I notice you say, "our subs". Do you not look at the pie chart published every year wherein this is clearly shown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) That must be a very hard question to answer. I have contacted BASC on three occassions; twice regarding legal matters, and once with a gamekeeping issue. In all cases, the members of staff I spoke to dealt with my query quickly and efficiently. Arguably, the salaries paid to those particular employees helped support my own personal involvement in shooting. Edited July 31, 2012 by Bear68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 To be fair: I notice you say, "our subs". Do you not look at the pie chart published every year wherein this is clearly shown? Unless pelt man is a BASC member he wont see the 'pie chart' will he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 To be fair: I notice you say, "our subs". Do you not look at the pie chart published every year wherein this is clearly shown? Yes i do, but the rest of PW members might not be members of BASC. It was implied that CA might not be the best option for shooters because of the lack of time and money spent on shooting, this was made by a BASC employee so it would be nice of him to come up with the facts to support what he is saying That must be a very hard question to answer. I have contacted BASC on three occassions; twice regarding legal matters, and once with a gamekeeping issue. In all cases, the members of staff I spoke to dealt with my query quickly and efficiently. Arguably, the salaries paid to those particular employees helped support my own personal involvement in shooting. And if you were a CA member they might have done the same, But nice to know you got help anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I am a member of both the CA and BASC and support them in any way I can. A little rivalry between organisations is one thing, however, I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this snide sniping a little distasteful and completely unnecessary. I thought Christopher Graffius better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I am a member of both the CA and BASC and support them in any way I can. A little rivalry between organisations is one thing, however, I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this snide sniping a little distasteful and completely unnecessary. I thought Christopher Graffius better than this. I have to say its the thing I find most annoying about BASC employee posts on here and actually makes me question my membership more than anything else about the organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Very Good Have a little dig at the CA then jazz up the company you work for. Please tell us, how much of our subs paid to the CA goes to shooting ?. You seem to imply that not a lot. As a BASC man could you please tell us how much of our subs after insurance is spent supporting shooting MINUS WAGES to BASC employers/employes any CA member of staff is welcome to defend the CA on here, are there any CA staff on here? andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 they got hounded out, we did have someone try but they had such a hard time they've not bothered since, can't really say after the incident that I blame them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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