digger Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Apologies for not being able to post the link. According to the BBC web site five marines are to be charged with murder in Afghanistan. In a war, one muppet cites they have the rules of engagement cards in their pockets and should read them if unsure. Seems like a ridiculous decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Seems completely just if they executed the bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 On the back of the facts that are available at the moment it seems entirely reasonable to charge them with murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 They will have a chance to defend themselves. If they executed the individual they they should face the law like anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 And of course if it had been the other way around the Taliban would have treated them all with due respect Reports say the video showed them discussing whether to give him 1st aid and then ended. Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 And of course if it had been the other way around the Taliban would have treated them all with due respect Reports say the video showed them discussing whether to give him 1st aid and then ended. Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War..... Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) And of course if it had been the other way around the Taliban would have treated them all with due respect Reports say the video showed them discussing whether to give him 1st aid and then ended. ..... Just because the other side does something doesn't mean the British army should stoop to the same level. As for you other point. Quote Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War. Thats the sort of defence the Nazi-s put up at the nuremberg trials. Example. Soldiers of the 2nd Battalion, the, had become isolated from their regiment. They occupied and defended a farmhouse against an attack by Waffen-SS forces in the village of Le Paradi.s After running out of ammunition, the defenders surrendered to the German troops. The Germans led them across the road to a wall, and machine-gunned them. Ninety-seven British troops died. Two survived, with injuries, and hid until they were captured by German forces several days later. After the war, Fritz Knöchlein was located, tried and convicted by a war crimes court, with the two survivors acting as witnesses against Edited October 14, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Just because the other side does something doesn't mean the British army should stoop to the same level. As for you other point. Quote Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War. Thats the sort of defence the Nazi-s put up at the nuremberg trials. Oh for gods sake...armchair bloody warriors, you make me sick, The winner in any war writes the rules and history.... Edited October 14, 2012 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Bliar sent them there he should be on trial first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Who is bliar?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Oh for gods sake...armchair bloody warriors, you make me sick, The winner in any war writes the rules and history.... Are you including yourself as a armchair warrior. The fact that you are giving your opinion on the forum sort of makes you one to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Our army have "rules of engagement" the taliban do not. They try to kill our and other coalition soldiers any way any time they can. Maybe this is one of the reasons why so many of our and other countries boys are being killed on a weekly basis!!!!!! Do any of you think the taliban will ever stop until they have what they want regardless of how many and whose lives are lost. What they want is to return Afghanistan to middle age sharia law and if given the chance the rest of the world. They don't try to do it without their moderrn weapons however. And if that means shooting a 14 year girl in the head because she defends the right of girls to be educated then...... En Shallah We now have "green on blue" attacks where a radical joins the Afghan police or army and when the opportunity arises empties an AK49 mag into a bunch of coalition troops.. How would any of you react ? Make that AK47 Edited October 14, 2012 by Sha Bu Le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Bliar sent them there he should be on trial first. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Anyhoo the weekly casuality rate is due to go down, its coming to the end of the "fighting seaon" I suppose while they harvest their poppies !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfiddler Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Build a large wall around the ******* lot & fill with shark infested water, only need sharks as they don't mind eating **** , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SniperCWF Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Bliar sent them there he should be on trial first. Freudian slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Remind me why our troops are there in the first place? Terrorist threat? More chance of dying in police custody than at the hands of a terrorist. To change hearts and minds? Yeah killing and maiming women and children achieves that! I resent my taxes being spent on this nonsensical war and Bliar should be on trial. These Marines know the rules, but probably break them routinely, They got caught because someone kept the camera rolling and worse, left it on their laptop. I'm an armchair pacifist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Who is bliar?! Billy Liar....... Are you including yourself as a armchair warrior. The fact that you are giving your opinion on the forum sort of makes you one to. Have you been in the army or some similar high stress situation....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Apologies for not being able to post the link. According to the BBC web site five marines are to be charged with murder in Afghanistan. In a war, one muppet cites they have the rules of engagement cards in their pockets and should read them if unsure. Seems like a ridiculous decision. Yes Jsp398A (rules of engagement card) issued to all troops who carry firearms on active duty or guarding/security ops,they are a set of guidelines to operate within to keep you on the correct side of the law,if your in a situation to carry the card you should know the card inside out,and act according to the guide lines ie only fire aimed shots,do not fire anymore shots than necessary,take all reasonable precaution not to injure anyone other than your target blaa blaa blaa, act outside the card and the **** hits the fan BB All they did wrong in my opinion was get caught one less dirty little wrag head trying to kill or injure,i can live with that BB Edited October 14, 2012 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yes Jsp398A (rules of engagement card) issued to all troops who carry firearms on active duty or guarding/security ops,they are a set of guidelines to operate within to keep you on the correct side of the law,if your in a situation to carry the card you should know the card inside out,and act according to the guide lines ie only fire aimed shots,do not fire anymore shots than necessary,take all reasonable precaution not to injure anyone other than your target blaa blaa blaa, act outside the card and the **** hits the fan BB All they did wrong in my opinion was get caught one less dirty little wrag head trying to kill or injure,i can live with that BB Where's the like button when you need one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Just because the other side does something doesn't mean the British army should stoop to the same level. As for you other point. Quote Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War. Thats the sort of defence the Nazi-s put up at the nuremberg trials. Example. Soldiers of the 2nd Battalion, the, had become isolated from their regiment. They occupied and defended a farmhouse against an attack by Waffen-SS forces in the village of Le Paradi.s After running out of ammunition, the defenders surrendered to the German troops. The Germans led them across the road to a wall, and machine-gunned them. Ninety-seven British troops died. Two survived, with injuries, and hid until they were captured by German forces several days later. After the war, Fritz Knöchlein was located, tried and convicted by a war crimes court, with the two survivors acting as witnesses against Exactly what point are you making here Edited October 14, 2012 by Sha Bu Le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Exactly what point are you making here As for you other point. Quote Rational thinking goes out of the window in a high stress situation as in War. My point is that statements like the one above were used by the Nazis to try and justify there executions of prisoners during ww2. I don't see whats hard to understand about that. Edited October 14, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 If you can't figure it out i am not going to explain it. OK you don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Exactly what point are you making here Ok maybe the waffen SS considered them to be a continuing threat so shot them out of hand. Only my recollection of history (my recent history) says they were led one by one and shot round the corner of the farmhouse they had occupied. Doubt if that was the case probably more of a situation where the waffen SS did not want to hold them prisoners and tie up their resourses and manpower, unlikely that was the situation with these RM's but then again?? At the end of the day if this insurgent or whatever you want to call him was allowed to walk free he would have been back killiing coalition soldiers, assuminfg his injuries were not serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I think it is strange that some members will quote sharia law and middle ages when dealing with Taliban et al, yet are quite happy to back similar middle aged behaviour. And before I`m asked, yeah I have been in high stress battle situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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