P~MX Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 i for one think this is a disgrace and I think the CPSA are over steppin their mark on this one ! News Release triggers consultation News > Fixtures > 2012 > Release triggers consultation > RELEASE TRIGGERS The Board at its last meeting took a decision to ban the use of release triggers from 01/04/2013 due to safety considerations. This would be consistent with the move made in 2011 by the ISSF. In view of the interest this decision has caused the Board has decided to hold the decision in abeyance and enter a period of consultation. If any member wishes to submit his/her views on this matter please send a letter or e-mail by 30th November 2012 to Nick Fellows, CEO (nick@cpsa.co.uk) who will collate the responses for future consideration by the Board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Whats a release trigger ? please not another anomaly in shooting . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Well, if the ISSF have banned them, the CPSA are bound to follow suit, what's wrong with that? I don't know anybody that uses them, having said that, I don't tend to rub shoulders with too many Tarp enthusiasts, Philr is about the only one I know.. As for Harnser's comment, the answer is in the term "Release trigger".....................any clues...?? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 https://www.cpsa.co.uk/news/fixtures/2012/10/31/release-triggers-consultation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Why ban something when there's not a problem with it? If it's a safety issue there might be a problem, but what happens if there's an accidental discharge when using a conventional trigger, are these also going to be banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I'm assuming that with a release trigger the hammer doesn't drop until you let go of the trigger having already pulled it? That being the case, once you have pulled the trigger, other than firing it, is there a method of decocking it? If not, I can see where the concern might arise. Edited October 31, 2012 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) You just open the gun, thats it, safe. http://www.bunkershooting.com/ReleaseTriggers.html Edited October 31, 2012 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 You just open the gun, thats it, safe. http://www.bunkersho...seTriggers.html Without releasing the trigger. I can see how it would cause more AD's, however, as stated, so long as the gun is pointed where it should be, shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 it's the man behind the gun that makes it safe or not, as far as I know the ISSF haven't banned them yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Well, if the ISSF have banned them, the CPSA are bound to follow suit, what's wrong with that? I don't know anybody that uses them, having said that, I don't tend to rub shoulders with too many Tarp enthusiasts, Philr is about the only one I know.. As for Harnser's comment, the answer is in the term "Release trigger".....................any clues...?? Cat. I didn't know a release trigger user or had even seen a gun fitted with a release trigger (that I know of) until about 6 months ago. Then I was chatting to a mate at Grange Farm and was congratulating him on a recent win and his run of very respectable results. He's a veteran who 20 + years ago was a very tidy shooter, certainly on the northern circuit, but had been languishing in the 70s for a number of years and all this in either English Sporting or FITASC Sporting as far as I know he doesn't shoot any of the trap disciplines. He explained that his low scores had been the result of a severe case of trigger freeze/flinch and he been on the verge of packing it all in after 40 years of clay shooting. His last chance was, after trawling the internet looking for a cure, a release trigger, so he bought a krieghoff and sent to the USA for a release trigger kit (if I understood correctly) This has absolutely transformed his shooting, he's scooping the pot in A class this year, AA a certainty for the next period with AAA a distinct possibility. We looked at his gun that day at Grange and he explained how it worked (I've forgotten what he said) and I remember there was a small warning sticker on the underside of the stock. I don't think that there is a safety issue with the owner of a release trigger gun but if the gun is picked up by another either accidentally (wrong gun picked up from rack) or deliberately (a n other picks gun out of rack to "see how it shoots") then, assuming the cardinal sin of having a shotgun pointed at someone or thing has been commited, an accident is a frighteningly real proposition. Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Still not sure what a release trigger is ,but assume from other posters that you pull the trigger and then have to release it to discharge the gun . I think it would be unnerving to get used to . A similarity that I can relate to is that I used to shoot a .270 rifle with a set trigger . To shoot the set trigger you first had to set the trigger by pushing the front trigger forward to set the set trigger . The set trigger was measured in grams rather than pounds and when used to it it was a fabulous light trigger . You really do need some serious range time to get used to the set trigger system . I would think you would need some serious range time to get used to a release trigger system as well . Incidently ,the only way to release the set trigger when set, and revert to the standard trigger was to actually pull the trigger . Harnser . Edited November 1, 2012 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) a release trigger works like this.....You pull the trigger back and that makes it ready to fire, then it fires as you release. You can take as long as it needs to pull it back and the release is a natural action and immediate. Often there is no problem with a second shot because the brain (pain receptors etc) have been distracted and often people can fire a second shot without too much trouble. Edited November 1, 2012 by P~MX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I had never heard of these or used them before, but can't see that much of a safety issue.... It is only like me using my archery bow - I effectively have a release trigger in my right shoulder and fingers releasing the arrow which wants to go a lot more than a trigger does (I have 45lbs on my fingers) and that it accepted as safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 release trigger is a trigger that is depressed and the gun is cocked ready to shoot on the release of the trigger. it is supposed to stop flinching. although never seen one, never want to use one. more common in states. also needs a big sticker on the gun advertising release trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 from what I've been told the CPSA have reversed their decision on release triggers for the present - *** ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I have used one at the World in Kansas , my Browning broke on the layout and this guy lent me his gun and warned me what it was, it was frightening using for the first time, but as he was the only one on the squad prepared to lend me a gun i had no choice, i did get used to it and finished on a 22 ex 25, but my event was over , i did borrow a gun but struggled being left handed and the stock being too short. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 A certain B class shooter in norfolk wont be very happy about this.since getting a krieghoff with release trigger he has gone from shooting scores in the 60s and 70s to the 90s. bornfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I was at Alan Rhones today, I believe that Alan and Wes Stanton are finding out why a ban was implemented when there is no history of a safety problem. According to one of the girls there, there are approximatly 20 Hrieghoffs fitted with a release trigger in the U.K. Good old CPSA, doing all they can for shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggs Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I fail to see why a release trigger is of a greater danger than a normal trigger.... If anyone can enlighten me I'd be very grateful :-) At the end of the day, unless you're going to fire the weapon then your finger shouldn't be on the trigger, surely? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I was at Alan Rhones today, I believe that Alan and Wes Stanton are finding out why a ban was implemented when there is no history of a safety problem. According to one of the girls there, there are approximatly 20 Hrieghoffs fitted with a release trigger in the U.K. Good old CPSA, doing all they can for shooting There is no ban currently in force, and it's clear from the post on the CPSA website that they are having second thoughts about going ahead with it, let's just hope that enough release trigger users lobby the CPSA , and the ban will probably be dropped..?? I've never heard of any problems in the UK through the use of release triggers. Having said that, I well remember the furore over the proposed dropping of the word "pigeon" out of the CPSA title, and replacing it with "target", in order to appease the gormless antis, well, if you'd have believed the hype put around by the "save the pigeon" brigade, there were literally coachloads of disgruntled members coming to the CPSA AGM to vent their spleen over the proposal. In the event, when it came to the vote, only 350 members out of about 25,000 actually voted, it was a complete damp squib, the overwhelming majority of members simply couldn't be bothered to even cast a vote one way or another, how sad is that..? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Cat, You know that apathy rules in UK shooting, I do find that rather sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I met a chap that used one DTL shooter! Good for those with disabilities and arthritis in the finger etc he had a K80 with a release and PFS stock big orange label on the underside to identify the release trigger Are electronic triggers allowed now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I've shot electronic triggers on air pistols, never seen one on a shotgun, but I wouldn't be suprised if someone had made one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I've shot electronic triggers on air pistols, never seen one on a shotgun, but I wouldn't be suprised if someone had made one. Saw a guy shooting a shotgun with an electronic trigger a couple of months ago, he had some disability in/with his right hand. Only realised it was electronic when he explained to the ref his battery was down and he was getting misfires. Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Saw a guy shooting a shotgun with an electronic trigger a couple of months ago, he had some disability in/with his right hand. Only realised it was electronic when he explained to the ref his battery was down and he was getting misfires. Mr Potter I'm definitely adding that to my list of excuses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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