Bazooka Joe Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Been reading about this today, they reckon it's 500fps faster than any of the other rim fire cartridges present today, No one seems to know what calibre it's in though..supposed to be brand new. Coming out early 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 .14 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) Anybody else heard anything?? Where did you here that Joe? Edited December 18, 2012 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Is there a need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Is there a need? Of course there's a need, there not nearly enough calibres to choose from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I only caught wind of this about 10 days ago and Winchester are keeping very quiet about it, except leaking enough to suggest it is the best thing since sliced bread. Price and performance will decide its future, and don't expect it to be cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 be interesting what it is, my money would be on something in 20cal as I really can't see .14 being any good in the field people winge enough on here about the .17 its just a case of what they have done to get the speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) I'm intrigued. I understand that case pressures are limited by a rimfire design, as the rim has to be thin enough to deform and ignite the primer. I can't imagine a new case design that will overcome this weakness ( although maybe a thicker case could be used with a very strong firing pin strike ) . So that leaves either a very light bullet ( maybe a non-lead ? ) or a new powder that keeps peak pressure low but burns long enough to give the 3000+ fps . I always hoped that someone would develop a new +P powder for HMR, that's the reason I bought a long barrel version, the logic being that the new powder might need a longer barrel. Maybe one day. EDIT: I had a search around and can't find a Winchester source for this. Could it be a hoax ? Edited December 18, 2012 by Catweazle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Of course there's a need, there not nearly enough calibres to choose from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Anybody else heard anything?? Where did you here that Joe? http://www.huntingclub.com/blogs/articletype/articleview/articleid/14630/winchester-will-unveil-game-changing-rimfire-cartridge#.UM-kDqzf2sp Could the 9mm RF be necked down to suit a 20cal, or maybe the Rem 5mm,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 http://www.huntingcl...ge#.UM-kDqzf2sp Could the 9mm RF be necked down to suit a 20cal, or maybe the Rem 5mm,? Cheers Joe! Certainly sounds the dogs! But time will tell...... No doubt, just like when the .17hmr came out "we" will have to pay way over the top for ammo until it becomes popular. Or dies.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) From what I could find out its based on the old 5mm Remington magnam rimfire, it's a 20 cal 32g bullet doing 2500-2800 fs !!!!! Here's a photo of the original version next to .17 hmr. Edited December 18, 2012 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Cheers Joe! Certainly sounds the dogs! But time will tell...... No doubt, just like when the .17hmr came out "we" will have to pay way over the top for ammo until it becomes popular. Or dies.... And no doubt people will believe all the hype and then complain bitterly for years when it doesn't deliver, just like HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Since when didn't the Hmr deliver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Since when didn't the Hmr deliver? +1 I love the .17 hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Currently on a commercial site there are 405 x 1.7 hmr’s for sale as opposed to 16 x 204‘s and 80 x 222’s. Draw your own conclusions from these figures. I never bought one because I couldn’t see any point. I can head shoot rabbits out to about 80 yds with my old BSA sportsman 15 in .22 rf and it’s not a case of lack of power it’s more of not hitting that size of target out further. For fox I’ve got 222, 223 & 243. As far as I’m concerned 1.7 hmr is an expensive unnecessary round that was hyped up for the masses to buy such as many other types of rounds that have been hyped up and have come and gone. You’ve only got to browse through the hundreds of pages in “Cartridges of the world” to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) Currently on a commercial site there are 405 x 1.7 hmr’s for sale as opposed to 16 x 204‘s and 80 x 222’s. Draw your own conclusions from these figures. I never bought one because I couldn’t see any point. I can head shoot rabbits out to about 80 yds with my old BSA sportsman 15 in .22 rf and it’s not a case of lack of power it’s more of not hitting that size of target out further. For fox I’ve got 222, 223 & 243. As far as I’m concerned 1.7 hmr is an expensive unnecessary round that was hyped up for the masses to buy such as many other types of rounds that have been hyped up and have come and gone. You’ve only got to browse through the hundreds of pages in “Cartridges of the world” to see them. I can see your point, but I love my hmr for many reasons, so much so I sold my .22lr a few years ago. As they say you pays ya money, ya takes your choice Edited December 18, 2012 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 There are more in circulation that's all new ones still sell strongly. There isn't anything better for lamping rabbits from a vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Since when didn't the Hmr deliver? HMR does what it was designed to do, but people believed the stories about it being a 250yd gun and still complain about it. There are blokes at my rifle club who still think the HMR is a 4000fps round, such is the mis-information about it. I love my HMR because I accept what it can do and what it can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) +1 I love the .17 hmr +1 same here... I've always found the .17hmr fills the gap between the ,22lr and a centrefire. Each to there own though.... Edited December 18, 2012 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 There's a lot of bs with the .17 (a lot American) like shooting coyotes at 400 yards etc... As catweezle says if you no its limitations there's no bunny gun better IMO. I like it because it shoots straight and doesn't bounce like .22lr, I push it out to about 150 yards ish on rabbits etc and about 70 ish yards on Charlie because that's what I'm comfortable to push it too, do I love my .17 YES but I would I start trying to shoot foxs at 400 yards and rabbits at other stupid ranges NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 old 5mm Remington magnam rimfire, it's a 20 cal 32g bullet doing 2500-2800 fs Yep....a round away ahead of the rest when it came out, still wondering what the new calibre will be though, find out in January 2013. Add another 500fps on the figures above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yep....a round away ahead of the rest when it came out, still wondering what the new calibre will be though, find out in January 2013. Add another 500fps on the figures above. That's what I meant buddy, from what press iv read about its a revamp of the 5mm. Or possibly a re-introduction ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 The .17 HMR is awesome accurate. Took a ground squirrel at 269 yards(lazered) with my CZ .17. Can't see it being effective on fox or coyote at any range. Even my .204 blew up on a coyotes ribs and he ran a long way.Better to stick with the centerfire .22s and up for humane use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 The HMR has never been a fox round as far as I'm concerned, any more than the .22LR. Ok in a close range emergency otherwise forget it, but as a rabbit shooters tool, its peerless. There's no reloading, its extremely accurate, it isn't noisey, it isn't expensive - £250 per 1000 rabbits, which is more than most people shoot in a year. How cheap do you want them? The rabbits are worth four times that. Its a 150 yd head-shooting rabbit round that is virtually recoilless and extremely easy to shoot. A .17 is obviously going to be wind sensitive, so if you're shooting on top of a Lakeland fell in November get something else, otherwise whats not to like? It'll be interesting to see what Winchester have got up their sleeve. I would have thought the HMR was close to the ideal compromise in a rimfire cartridge. If they're getting 3000 fps from a .20 cal they must be doubling the muzzle energy, (I'm guessing, before someone does the maths) which might be a bit much for a high volume rabbit round, but still not really foxing territory. But who knows. Very interesting to see what they come up with. They're comming thick and fast, the .17 Hornet isn't up on its feet yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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