Columbus Polumbus Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I have one of my gun cabinets on an outside wall and now winter is fast approaching my guns are going to get all rusty again. I have asked around in the gunshops etc but know one seems to know what to do so this is where you all come in.......... can anyone help me cure the problem? I don't want to move the cabinet if I can possibly help it, I have heard an old tale of drilling a hole in the cabinet and hooking up a low voltage bulb inside just to take the chill of it. Any one got any tips or advice it would be greatly appreciated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTMS Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 If you know any body who works in the packaging industry silicon crystalls like those when you get goods in the boxes ie cameras or computers etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markadams Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hi, Use VP90 it is excellent stuff, you can get it from most good gun shops. See: http://www.vp90.com/# Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted October 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Bought those patches guys and they don't seem to do anything and they cost me a bomb!!! Anyone else got any ideas please................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markadams Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I am very surprised at that, I use them in my garage tool box and they work really well, all the tools completly rusted before I used them. Did you put enough patches in the safe? You need several for a large safe. Can you place some insulation between the safe and the wall? Fibre board (used for laminate floors) would be perfect. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawaherp Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I've had the same problem for years tried silica gel packs ( bought from a camera shops) help but don't stop the rust the only thing that I have found that works is to smear 009 all over the barrels and any metal parts you wish to protect repeat the application about every three months if gun is not in use . This stops the rust if you use it every time you store your guns and is far quicker than reblueing your barrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hart Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hi guys i fitted carpet in mine and not had any problems since and i am good at fitting carpets ask sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 A small heating element or light bulb will not stop condensation if the cabinet is sealed. Ventilation is what you want. The condensation moisture has got to go somewhere. Silica Gel will only absorb so much before you have to dry it out and put it back in the cabinet. (Abbey metal protector ) will keep metal free of moisture, as will Finigan's Waxoil. They will also take the shine off your barrels for when you're shooting. Dont apply the Abbey product to moving parts. You can remove them with white spirit. Or course, good old WD40 will do a good job. I have no connection with these products!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammergun Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I was once told that lining a cabinet with cedarwood can help prevent rust. If using silica gel, it soon gets exhausted and you need to drive off the moisture by heating it gently in an oven. Coat the metalwork and barrels with Rangoon Oil. It is the best for protecting metalwork and durable. It will protect a gun on a rainy day and not rub off. It was formulated to protect metalwork in jungle conditions. Don't put it on too thick, and store your guns with the barrels pointing downwards so that it doesnt run onto the woodwork and spoil it. Run the mop through before you shoot as excess oil can cause stress in the barrels when fired. Much rust is caused by fluctuations in temperature causing water to condensate on a cooler item (such as the gun barrels). Insulating with carpet etc will help, as will storing guns in (dry) slips, especially if theyre a bit oily inside from use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Reading all these posts about corrosion on guns in storage has made me realise how lucky i am. Purely by coincidence my cabinet is in a fitted wardrobe that is fixed to the adjoining wall which has my neighbours boiler and airing cupboard the other side of it. When i open the door of the wardrobe to take a gun out i am always met with a rush of warm air and needless to say my guns are always in great condition all year round. Maybe i should offer her a fiver or so towards her gas bill for the good work she is doing for me. Perhaps not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Have to agree with Mark re. the VP90, its excellent stuff. (I had nothing to do with the link though ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooktrout Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Warm dry air is the only real solution C P, A dry attic is ideal, with warm air rising, Its a bit of a pain if you use them daily but security is included also, and it keeps the police happy when they check out your renewal ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 i use G96 complete gun treatment does all three thing cleans lubricates protects i had some rust on my old o/u that i had been useing on salt water, the gun had spots of rust on it that if i did nouthing about it would have ruined the gun, i put g96 on it and it got the rust i havent had any problems since .it takes a little bit of time to work and kills rust, but it cleaned it up in a few mouths. about cabnets. carpet sounds a cheap way to go let some air in and if you can heat, with a light blub i can not think of any other way to heat a cabnet i dont have a condsation problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antipodean Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Have to agree with HG rangoon oil is by far the best for protecting firearms .Silica gel is also good at removing moisture but as mentioned it has to be dryed out in the oven occationally.Have a word with anyone you know who fits machinary for a living as large bags of it are often placed inside equipment which has come from overseas.(german brewing equipment i can vouch for personally thats where i got mine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Thanks guys I appreciate all your advice and comments. It is a standard gun cabinet so isn't sealed in the truest sense, ie ventilation can get by the door which is half the problem I think, the room is heated on the central heating system but at night it cools I guess and thats when I get the condensation which is giving me the rust. All the armouries I have been in have those heating elements that look like 6ft long scaffolding pipes bolted to the ceiling etc with a wire coming out of one end and there guns don't go rusty, so I guess heat or should I say a constant temp is what is required. Cabela's sell miniture versions of these things for gun cabinets (Am I allowed to mention Cabela's now or not???) but obviously they are only 110v hence the idea I picked up about the light buld option, it would provide heat at a constant rate and bingo, end of rust............... I'd hope. Does anyone know of these heating elements in the UK or where I could start looking. If it is considered free advertising would someone PM me so we don't fall foul? Thanks guys Col Pol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Col Pol I use a heated towel rail in mine, its a tube with a wire coming out like you said and they come in various lengths mine is five foot and cost about £65, sounds a lot to keep um dry but if like me you look at your cabinet and realise just how much all your guns are worth then it scares you into buying one. I got mine from screwfix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 I have my gun cabinet fixed to an outside (solid, no cavity) wall and I have never had a condensation problem. I do have a3"x3"x 1" thick piece of wood, between the cabinet and the wall, at the screw/bolt holes. This holds the cabinet off the wall, perhaps thats the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Col Pol,do you have any electricial wholesalers near you?they are called tubular heaters,you can get them from 1 ft up to about 6 and are very cheap,i get them for about £12+the vat i think for the small ones,people use them for frost protection and in airing cupbords etc,i have put one in for a gun cabinate but not actually in the cabinate it was put in the cupbord where the cabinate was fixed and this solved his problem as it kept the cupbord dry and at a more constant temp.Tell me where you are if you like and i'll give you your nearest wholesaler as i have a list from most of my regular ones with branch details :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammergun Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 The tubular heaters are a good idea. They are used a lot in industry to prevent frost damage, and they use very little elctricity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 how the hell do you use tubler heaters for frost protection . i grow kiwifruit and one of our problems is eary frosts on or new buds in the spring we can lose half or income from early frosts, this year we only had one frost when the vines where buding out and i burnt hay bales all that night had a light frost at 1 in the morning then at 5 30 i heap of cold air came done fron high up and froze up on the hard woode of the vines but not on the green tips of the shoots. smoke worked this time round sounds like the type of heater that u need for your gun cabnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Bill,i'm talking more about stopping your pipes freezing in the loft than keeping your kiwis warm :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiercel Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Dont frett folks the answer has just come to me been looking at the last two posts and they have the answer. Put a piece of pipe lagging smeared in gun oil on the inside around your guns problem solved. Insulation and rust preventitive all in one. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooktrout Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 When a hunters guns start getting rusty, its the time to start looking out for a good set of bowling woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pieman Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Col Pol, it's official. You need to take the guns out more often! After all, Mrs Col Pol wouldn't want you to have to buy expensive replacements, would she?! :blink: PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Angus Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Try puting some chalk in the bottom of the cabinet, as this has worked for me in my tool box, i leave my tools out all year round in the shed and have no probs :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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