castletyne Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I like the idea because it annoys me to see people who aren't working in houses that are bigger than mine. I'm sure it will save us some money somehow so I'm all up for it. Oh and for the fella who was on the radio the other day having a grumble because his kid stays over at weekends and he'll lose money because of the room the kid needs, when I was little and my parents split up my dad only had one bedroom. I had his bed and he slept on the floor. There you go - the honest working man's answer to the problem. We can't always have it all - unless we're on benefits it seems?! But it will also affect say a couple who have lived in a house for 50+ years the man worked all his life brought their kids up there now only the old lady is left but with the new tax she cannot afford to keep the home So chuck her in a home and give the house to a scrounging family with 4 kids a couple of huskies (seems to be the dog taking over fromthe staff) and a broken shogun to chuck on the drive or maybe a family of freeloading immigrants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The only people this affects are those claiming HOUSING BENEFIT and are under occupying. Thats good enough in my book! If you pay your rent yourself you have nothing to worry about! The bit that made me laugh was singlebpeople ARE willing to give up their 2+ bedroom house to move into a single.bedroom property "BUT" there is a huge shortage of such properties! So! There you have it. You can't move into a smaller property, But you will still have to pay for your spare room reguardless The Government have this WELL sown up I know a few people who were interviewed by the local council and asked if they would consided taking in a Lodger? Oh yeah! Not a problem, I am happy to share My home with some strange person off the street and trust him with my kids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 But it will also affect say a couple who have lived in a house for 50+ years the man worked all his life brought their kids up there now only the old lady is left but with the new tax she cannot afford to keep the home So chuck her in a home and give the house to a scrounging family with 4 kids a couple of huskies (seems to be the dog taking over fromthe staff) and a broken shogun to chuck on the drive or maybe a family of freeloading immigrants Think I'm right in saying that if over state pension age then it doesn't affect them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 it effects anyone on housing benifit. so for example ~ if youve got a 65 year old lady who's worked all her life but is now struggling to get around for health reasons and she is now claiming housing benifit she will be hit with the bed room tax, even if she's surrounded by relatives/naibours who go in to help her daily she will either have to move and loose her support network or pay the extra out. I agree it needed looking at to stop people getting 4 bedroom farm houses on housing beinift but also common sense needed to be used which i dont think it has. this will lead to the old and disabled who used to have a support network from naibours being lost in the system with possible terrible results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Doesn't affect pensioners luckily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Pensioners should be moved out though after a time, as long as its done sensitively. There is no reason to say a house is for life. Near where I grew up there was a big council estate built in the 60s. Most of the houses were given to young families and in the 70s and even into the 80s the place was really buzzing with life as the kids grew up. Later the estate had loads of retired couples still living in the three bedroom houses after the kids had gone. There are still several old widows living there although they are dropping off their perches one by one. A friends mum only died about a year ago. They have lived there since the houses were built but for most of the time the houses have technically been underoccupied. Other people bought them for £15,000 and they are now worth £300,000. The council rent lots of them back for a lot more than they originally sold for. Edited March 8, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 it effects anyone on housing benifit. so for example ~ if youve got a 65 year old lady who's worked all her life but is now struggling to get around for health reasons and she is now claiming housing benifit she will be hit with the bed room tax, even if she's surrounded by relatives/naibours who go in to help her daily she will either have to move and loose her support network or pay the extra out. I agree it needed looking at to stop people getting 4 bedroom farm houses on housing beinift but also common sense needed to be used which i dont think it has. this will lead to the old and disabled who used to have a support network from naibours being lost in the system with possible terrible results Sorry - this is wrong Read the link. Only affects those of working age. With regards to disabled people disabled tenant or partner who needs non resident overnight carer will be allowed an extra bedroom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Think I'm right in saying that if over state pension age then it doesn't affect them I believe you are right! Pensioners will not.be affected. By the time todays people become of pension age they will most likely be in single bedroom properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Pensioners should be moved out though after a time, as long as its done sensitively. There is no reason to say a house is for life. Near where I grew up there was a big council estate built in the 60s. Most of the houses were given to young families and in the 70s and even into the 80s the place was really buzzing with life as the kids grew up. Later the estate had loads of retired couples still living in the three bedroom houses after the kids had gone. There are still several old widows living there although they are dropping off their perches one by one. A friends mum only died about a year ago. They have lived there since the houses were built but for most of the time the houses have technically been underoccupied. Other people bought them for £15,000 and they are now worth £300,000. The council rent lots of them back for a lot more than they originally sold for. I think back then you were ckeckrd out before you got a house and had to be working This built a community spirit on these new estates but now if you keep moving people around it will kill it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Just about to take the step into social housing after 7 years on the list, housing associations have made it practically impossible for me and mine to take a house in the past due to renting, they want me in next week type of thing and the house inevitably goes to the unemployed. The fact I have been offered a family house now is directly related to the scheme the peoples who were living in the house before would be un able to meet the cost and moved on. Won't affect me being a worker, missed my chance for mortgage many moons ago ****** it all up the wall and social housing is the option for me to find assured tenancy. Most my neighbours will be long term unemployed who see the houses as a right. And something they have every right to mistreat and shrug there shoulders. Bout time they got made a tad more responsible. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 my other half is in housing for our local authority and thinks this is one of the best ideas yet, why should you be able to get a larger house each time you have another child till you work up to a 4 bed then never have to downsize. It means they have to keep building large houses while a huge amount of their housing stock of that size is occupied by elderly couples. If they want to stay it simply means they have to contribute a portion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 my other half is in housing for our local authority and thinks this is one of the best ideas yet, why should you be able to get a larger house each time you have another child till you work up to a 4 bed then never have to downsize. It means they have to keep building large houses while a huge amount of their housing stock of that size is occupied by elderly couples. If they want to stay it simply means they have to contribute a portion. I'm keen on it for purely selfish reasons to be honest, and am glad for once it is not out to vettel the working communities. I feel a tad sorry for the decent folk it may affect negatively. I have two different sex children and me and my partner both work. And like I said it has opened opportunities for us were there were none Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The main issue is the fact you used to get into the system get given a house and then just got a larger one if you needed it and at no point did you get re assessed so if you got a house through genuine need then got a good job then woopee benefit from dirt cheap rent for life and no one would ask you to move out. I know people with joint incomes of 80k plus in social housing and that is just wrong with people in genuine need waiting for one to effectively be built. The cost to the tax payer is absolutely massive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 After 31 years paying in to the system i now find myself out of work due to health problems I have lost both legs and have a number of complications. I have just been awarded housing benefit ,and employment support allowance of £71 per week in April I will have to find £10.82 out of the £71 to pay the bedroom supplement as I have a spare bedroom I had to take this two bedroom property as otherwise I would have gone to the bottom of the list it doesnt quite seem fair to me Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 After 31 years paying in to the system i now find myself out of work due to health problems I have lost both legs and have a number of complications. I have just been awarded housing benefit ,and employment support allowance of £71 per week in April I will have to find £10.82 out of the £71 to pay the bedroom supplement as I have a spare bedroom I had to take this two bedroom property as otherwise I would have gone to the bottom of the list it doesnt quite seem fair to me Deershooter No mate you are an unfortunate victim of the system. Maybe they will find you somewhere a little more suitable. I can afford to live in privately rented accommodation, its long term tenancy that I lack. My landlords are selling up. I have been a faultless tenant for some 4 years and would the rent the property for a very long time but its not an option. That's why I favour social housing for my needs nowadays. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 When my dad died my mum wanted to move to a smaller council property (in sheltered accomodation). The council actually paid her, I think it was about £1,500, for downsizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 No mate you are an unfortunate victim of the system. Maybe they will find you somewhere a little more suitable. I can afford to live in privately rented accommodation, its long term tenancy that I lack. My landlords are selling up. I have been a faultless tenant for some 4 years and would the rent the property for a very long time but its not an option. That's why I favour social housing for my needs nowadays. Karpman I don't want another property I have the small bedroom as a gun room I also have spent £6000 on this council bungalow to get it how I wanted it (new kitchen fitted bedroom furniture redecorating and £1800 on carpet) I can not afford to move Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 It is not a tax, just a reduction in housing benefit if you are deemed to under occupy your property. So that's why the ethnic majority have 4 families to a house!! Good thinking. Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 All MP's that have another property in London receive an allowance for that property, this is from our money just the same as housing allowance if they have one spare room will they lose 14% or 35% of there allowance they only need one bedroom is this not one rule for one and another for the MP's Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garjo Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Re:previuos post affecting people aged over 65 -its my understanding this does not affect 60 plus age group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I don't want another property I have the small bedroom as a gun room I also have spent £6000 on this council bungalow to get it how I wanted it (new kitchen fitted bedroom furniture redecorating and £1800 on carpet) I can not afford to move Deershooter Your just gonna have to suck it up and get on with it then mate unfortunately All the best Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 All MP's that have another property in London receive an allowance for that property, this is from our money just the same as housing allowance if they have one spare room will they lose 14% or 35% of there allowance they only need one bedroom is this not one rule for one and another for the MP's Deershooter I don't think London MP's get this subsidy any more. You are right though - they should only have a 1 bed flat or similar to do their work in Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 it's plain to see old cameron doesn't like council house tenants, get breeding i say, fill your house to the rafters with kids if you're a bit past it then borrow some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Basically UK plc has run out of money. We've squandered 15 years of growth, and the chickens have come home to roost. We can no longer afford our benefits bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDFrain Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 if your spare bedroom is under 70 sq ft then it is actually classed as a boxroom not a bedroom this is a law in the 1985 housing act that can not be overturned, sure that would put a few spanners in the works.... JDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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