TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Who says its a protest vote just because you can no longer stomache the established elite and you vote for an alternative? this does not automatically mean its a protest, its a vote for CHANGE and change thats far to long overdue at that. KW I say it was a protest vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 enlighten us then oracle No need to get silly, as well as wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 No need to get silly, as well as wrong. I wasnt being silly i was just writing short hand, ive given my opinion. Its easy to say it is wrong but as yet you havent said why... There's no point having a voice if you're afraid to use it, be a lion not a puddy cat, tell us your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You haven't explained why I am wrong, unless you count your rambling posts as a full explanation. PS. Please resist the urge to make provocative challenges - it merely makes you look a bit silly, in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You haven't explained why I am wrong, unless you count your rambling posts as a full explanation. PS. Please resist the urge to make provocative challenges - it merely makes you look a bit silly, in my book. No provocative challenges intended, i just cant see anywhere in this thread where you have expressed an opinion other than saying people are missing the point without actually saying what the point is they are missing? Sorry if ive missed something else in here, feel free to correct me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) I have re-read your posts and have had real difficulty not laughing out loud. Pretentious isn't the word. Voters are concerned with the number of people from abroad - already in the country and those who want to come. Your simplistic drivel about them only coming here to work and not be a burden on the state is just that. Have you any concept as to why many come to the UK - benefits is one reason, work another, but many come because they are criminals. Look at the proportion of the prison population. A disproportionate amount are from abroad. Many come here, commit horrendous crimes and stay because we are too weak to follow the lead of France and get rid. Fraud, prostitution, drugs - where do all these appear in your "persuasive argument"? You really need to get in touch with the real world, not speak to a few politicians. As for the ludicrous - we shouldn't put much effort into border control as they will get in anyway - all time classic. :lol: Edited May 3, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I have re-read your posts and have had real difficulty not laughing out loud. Pretentious isn't the word. Voters are concerned with the number of people from abroad - already in the country and those who want to come. Your simplistic drivel about them only coming here to work and not be a burden on the state is just that. Have you any concept as to why many come to the UK - benefits is one reason, work another, but many come because they are criminals. Look at the proportion of the prison population. A disproportionate amount are from abroad. Many come here, commit horrendous crimes and stay because we are too weak to follow the lead of France and get rid. Fraud, prostitution, drugs - where do all these appear in your "persuasive argument"? You really need to get in touch with the real world, not speak to a few politicians. As for the ludicrous - we shouldn't put much effort into border control as they will get in anyway - all time classic. :lol: Thanks for the insults, have you ever considered that this is just reflective of your opinion and not necessarily fact? Apart from foreigners entering the country are there not any other issues that concern you going on at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Stop reading the daily mail Gordon' What's slightly please me is that though the conservatives have been hit it is also apparent that a lot of labour voters don't see them as an alternative so also voted ukip. As for farage being pm god help us it would be funny for a while but once we got out of Europe he could then start tapping his fingers and wondering what to do, his manifesto is mostly wishful thinking and written by someone during a few pints down the pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) Stop reading the daily mail Gordon' What's slightly please me is that though the conservatives have been hit it is also apparent that a lot of labour voters don't see them as an alternative so also voted ukip. As for farage being pm god help us it would be funny for a while but once we got out of Europe he could then start tapping his fingers and wondering what to do, his manifesto is mostly wishful thinking and written by someone during a few pints down the pub I was in the pub today and while in there sent him a list to help him with developing his manifesto! I have asked him to make it illegal to employ unskilled immigrants (paying them cherrybobs) whilst we have unemployed unskilled or low skilled workers looking for postions but with a wage they can actually live on. KW Edited May 3, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Stop reading the daily mail Gordon' What's slightly please me is that though the conservatives have been hit it is also apparent that a lot of labour voters don't see them as an alternative so also voted ukip. As for farage being pm god help us it would be funny for a while but once we got out of Europe he could then start tapping his fingers and wondering what to do, his manifesto is mostly wishful thinking and written by someone during a few pints down the pub That's the problem that UKIP need to address to become an electable party and do well at the nationals (not the horse races) and its also the reason why i feel the need to talk with the politicians face to face to understand what they are going to do about the real issues. TBH having zero immigration wont be anything to be happy about if the company is bankrupt and falling to peices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitar Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I was in the pub today and while in there sent him a list to help him with developing his manifesto! I have asked him to make it illegal to employ unskilled immigrants (paying them cherrybobs) whilst we have unemployed unskilled or low skilled workers looking for postions but with a wage they can actually live on. KW +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I was in the pub today and while in there sent him a list to help him with developing his manifesto! I have asked him to make it illegal to employ unskilled immigrants (paying them cherrybobs) whilst we have unemployed unskilled or low skilled workers looking for postions but with a wage they can actually live on. KW What about for top end jobs or middle management etc, should it be illegal to employ foreign nationals above those born in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 What about for top end jobs or middle management etc, should it be illegal to employ foreign nationals above those born in the UK? If they bring a skill or expertise we CANT provide then no prob we should welcome them with open arms, but if we can supply that skill let them clear off. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytokgoz Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 even as a foreigner it seems very right to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 If they bring a skill or expertise we CANT provide then no prob we should welcome them with open arms, but if we can supply that skill let them clear off. KW Just checking my job was going to be safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 a lot of support for them after reading this thread over the last 2 months, and I am in the same mind as the majority on here they get my vote as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Stop reading the daily mail Gordon' What's slightly please me is that though the conservatives have been hit it is also apparent that a lot of labour voters don't see them as an alternative so also voted ukip. As for farage being pm god help us it would be funny for a while but once we got out of Europe he could then start tapping his fingers and wondering what to do, his manifesto is mostly wishful thinking and written by someone during a few pints down the pub I agree, his manifesto is written to please and nothing else. In some ways he can't do wrong, he can say what he likes because UKIP won't be in power to test his ideas, and the other parties aren't able to be so erm, imaginative. I'm no UKIP supporter but I am pleased that they are shaking up the big(ger) 3 parties. I predict that as they gain more credibility you will see their policies become less reactionary and more watered down as serious questions will be asked about how on earth they will finance their big plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) I agree, his manifesto is written to please and nothing else. In some ways he can't do wrong, he can say what he likes because UKIP won't be in power to test his ideas, and the other parties aren't able to be so erm, imaginative. I'm no UKIP supporter but I am pleased that they are shaking up the big(ger) 3 parties. I predict that as they gain more credibility you will see their policies become less reactionary and more watered down as serious questions will be asked about how on earth they will finance their big plans. Like the present lot are actually financing theirs then? silly me I thought we had bottomed out in a fiscal debt sink hole I hadnt realised we where flourishing financially and that all the policies of the present lot of thieves scumbags house flippers and duck pond merchants supposedly running the country were actually working, please accept my humble apology. KW Edited May 3, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) I'm no UKIP supporter but I am pleased that they are shaking up the big(ger) 3 parties. I predict that as they gain more credibility you will see their policies become less reactionary and more watered down as serious questions will be asked about how on earth they will finance their big plans. Totally agree, with that part, but they couldn't be much worse than the shower we have now. Edited May 3, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) Like the present lot are actually financing theirs then? silly me I thought we had bottomed out in a fiscal debt sink hole I hadnt realised we where flourishing financially and that all the policies of the present lot of thieves scumbags house flippers and duck pond merchants supposedly running the country were actually working, please accept my humble apology. KW What? Did I say anything about any other political party? No, I didn't, I was saying that UKIPs ideas currently do not make sense and don't add up. Edited May 3, 2013 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I agree, his manifesto is written to please and nothing else. In some ways he can't do wrong, he can say what he likes because UKIP won't be in power to test his ideas, and the other parties aren't able to be so erm, imaginative. I'm no UKIP supporter but I am pleased that they are shaking up the big(ger) 3 parties. I predict that as they gain more credibility you will see their policies become less reactionary and more watered down as serious questions will be asked about how on earth they will finance their big plans. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.R.S Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 Yep.They got my vote.Doubt if I will get a birthday card from the BNP this year as I didnt vote or join them.The BNP had some good views a few years back.The only downside is its run by a facsist/racist Tw&t.UKIP policies look way better and not run by a load of Neo Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 Yes, their biggest achievement is to rattle the cages of the other parties. Its Great! Its also true though that what they are saying for the most part is accurate and reflects the views of the voters. That's not a bad thing, it may be oversimplified but what is wrong with dealing a straight hand of cards? Such a thing was an anathema to New Labour. For many years Labour's total political strategy was to tell the public anything as long as it wasn't the truth. Spin they called it but it was all lies and misrepresentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 What? Did I say anything about any other political party? No, I didn't, I was saying that UKIPs ideas currently do not make sense and don't add up. What doesn't add up exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) What? Did I say anything about any other political party? No, I didn't, I was saying that UKIPs ideas currently do not make sense and don't add up. So lets see the established political elite with their "sensible ideas policies and manifesto" have thus far managed to destroy our industrial base , financially bankrupt the country, and allowed it to be flooded with non needed low skill economic migrants, to the point that some area's have become more akin to eastern europe than England wonder why Boston in particular and Lincolnshire as a whole have massive support for UKIP Unless of course we are talking about UKIPs stance on Europe and the supposed Union, a Union that is destroying countries, allowing the loss of national identity and enforcing laws and rules that ken dodd would have been proud of. Oh and dont forget that the so called sensible policies and political elite ( not the missfits and clowns of UKIP as descibed by the ultimate one of those himself ken clark justice minister and friend to thieves and thugs) think the causal factor of our present woes are all down to the benefit system and their recipriants whilst the big fiddle of tax evasion which loses us billion upon billion more is seen as "the right thing" to do, as good old Nige farrage says you really could not make it up. KW Edited May 4, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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