bullet1747 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Licence has been at the police for nearly 4 weeks getting the 22 lr cleared so I can buy another while I was at it I've sent some pics of more land , phoned them today to see if it was done yes was the reply it's in the post and they have opened it as well ,I'm one happy lad only had it 9 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 beat ya mine was 8 months and used 4500 mixed 17 and 22 rounds in that time and opened on c/f as well happy for you mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 beat ya mine was 8 months and used 4500 mixed 17 and 22 rounds in that time and opened on c/f as well happy for you mate Well chuffed bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Well done a nice result for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 beat ya both, I got given an open on first application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Well it landed this morning . The 22rimfire calibre rifle , .17 HMR calibre rifle ,sound moderators and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game and zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. , I take it it is defo open it also says the same for my centre fire as well wasn't expecting the CF to be open but I'll not argue lol, only problem is I noticed them by email I had sold the 22 rim fire they have left it on the cert as I still own it any advice on the latter please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Well it landed this morning . The 22rimfire calibre rifle , .17 HMR calibre rifle ,sound moderators and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game and zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. , I take it it is defo open it also says the same for my centre fire as well wasn't expecting the CF to be open but I'll not argue lol, only problem is I noticed them by email I had sold the 22 rim fire they have left it on the cert as I still own it any advice on the latter please Yes mate, with that wording on the conditions it is definitely OPEN! Well done! With regards to selling the .22 maybe it would be best if you gave your firearms office a quick phone call to check on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 beat ya both, I got given an open on first application so did i for my fac airgun only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 mines just off to surrey after a year bet it isnt opened :(does anyone have any good wording i can put in the letter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 With regards to selling the .22 maybe it would be best if you gave your firearms office a quick phone call to check on the situation. Best do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Open, closed - still trying to get my head round why people think this makes a difference as to where you are allowed to shoot. The condition stipulates what you must do, not what you can only do. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Open, closed - still trying to get my head round why people think this makes a difference as to where you are allowed to shoot. The condition stipulates what you must do, not what you can only do. J. Jonathan, the difference is that with a closed ticket you can only shoot the rifle(s) listed on that ticket on land that has been passed as suitable for the calibre you are using, as opposed to having an open ticket which means that you can shoot wherever you have permission without that land having to have been previously passed as suitable for the calibre you use. Basically the difference is that an open ticket holder makes the call as to suitability of the land, even though it is up to the shooter to "assess" each individual shot for safety regardless of if they have a closed or open ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Jonathan, the difference is that with a closed ticket you can only shoot the rifle(s) listed on that ticket on land that has been passed as suitable for the calibre you are using, as opposed to having an open ticket which means that you can shoot wherever you have permission without that land having to have been previously passed as suitable for the calibre you use. Basically the difference is that an open ticket holder makes the call as to suitability of the land, even though it is up to the shooter to "assess" each individual shot for safety regardless of if they have a closed or open ticket. The other differance is 6 months in prison if you get caught. Land checks are a pain in the ****, been waiting 4 months for 2 now. Might send mine back again for another variation lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The other differance is 6 months in prison if you get caught. Land checks are a pain in the ****, been waiting 4 months for 2 now. Might send mine back again for another variation lol. Fair comment, and well worth remembering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Jonathan, the difference is that with a closed ticket you can only shoot the rifle(s) listed on that ticket on land that has been passed as suitable for the calibre you are using, as opposed to having an open ticket which means that you can shoot wherever you have permission without that land having to have been previously passed as suitable for the calibre you use. Basically the difference is that an open ticket holder makes the call as to suitability of the land, even though it is up to the shooter to "assess" each individual shot for safety regardless of if they have a closed or open ticket. That isn't what any of the conditions say though. The conditions use the word 'shall' which, in law, means that you must do something. So, if a condition says that the firearm shall be used on land deemed suitable then you must use it in such land to fulfil the condition. If you never use it on land deemed suitable (for instance if you never take the gun out of the cabinet) then you are in breach of the condition because the condition says you actually have to use it. The condition does not say that you cannot use it elsewhere, however. Look at it this way. If the condition says 'the firearm shall be used on land deemed suitable by the chief officer' and you use it a piece of land which has never specifically been checked by the police then what offence do you commit? None that I can see because you have not done anything to breach the condition. If the condition said 'shall only be used on land deemed suitable' (as it does as regards humane dispatch pistols or club certificates) then you would breach the condition. As it stands though, you do not breach it simply by using it on non-approved land - how could you? J J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 The other differance is 6 months in prison if you get caught. Land checks are a pain in the ****, been waiting 4 months for 2 now. Might send mine back again for another variation lol. But you haven't committed an offence, surely? You have not breached the condition on your cert. The condition says that you must use the firearm in a particular way, not that you must only use it in a certain way. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 You're totally wrong on this one but its pointless arguing. Anyone caught taking your advice wouldn't have a leg to stand on with your defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 You're totally wrong on this one but its pointless arguing. Anyone caught taking your advice wouldn't have a leg to stand on with your defence Who mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Johnathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 beat ya mine was 8 months and used 4500 mixed 17 and 22 rounds in that time and opened on c/f as well happy for you mate That's fair bit of shooting Swiss, do you think the amount of rounds you used was the main influence with your firearms dept to issue you with an Open ticket? Was there any other factors that made them decide to grant and Open ticket, e.g. lot's of permissions on land(s) they did not have on file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 You're totally wrong on this one but its pointless arguing. Anyone caught taking your advice wouldn't have a leg to stand on with your defence I assume you are referring to me. Why am I wrong? The condition says that you shall use firearm for a particular purpose. No where does it say that you shall only use it for the purpose stated in the condition. When the police want to restrict you to only using it for a particular purpose they say so and use the word 'only' - as they do in the case of humane dispatch pistols or guns on club certifictes. If a condition on a certificate says 'the firearm shall be used on land deemed suitable' and you shoot it somewhere else then what offence do you commit? J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Stand by your beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I assume you are referring to me. Why am I wrong? The condition says that you shall use firearm for a particular purpose. No where does it say that you shall only use it for the purpose stated in the condition. When the police want to restrict you to only using it for a particular purpose they say so and use the word 'only' - as they do in the case of humane dispatch pistols or guns on club certifictes. If a condition on a certificate says 'the firearm shall be used on land deemed suitable' and you shoot it somewhere else then what offence do you commit? J. What wording is on your certificate? From that those of use who have been reading your responses in this thread will be able to decide if you are talking out of your ****…. This will also determine how long before the thread is closed when the mud starts flying.... TEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 mine says "shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot".....seeing as i only shoot over one farm at the moment alls fine, but if i got an offer elsewhere how do i stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) I assume you are referring to me. Why am I wrong? The condition says that you shall use firearm for a particular purpose. No where does it say that you shall only use it for the purpose stated in the condition. When the police want to restrict you to only using it for a particular purpose they say so and use the word 'only' - as they do in the case of humane dispatch pistols or guns on club certifictes. If a condition on a certificate says 'the firearm shall be used on land deemed suitable' and you shoot it somewhere else then what offence do you commit? J. Have a natter with your firearms officer JohnathanL and see what he says. I would if I were you. You can be as clever as you like with wording but...... Edited March 17, 2013 by Whitebridges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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