Keeperchris Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 After a 3 month wait the variation finally came through and I have been and got my new rifle today. Thanks to all that offered advice went for a cz 452 stainless synthetic in the end. Splashed out on a new 3-12x50 zeiss duralyt for the optics too. Cheers all Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm sure you are going to enjoy it, I think you will find that is known as a CZ Style and has a Nickel barrel! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Lovely rifle and scope set-up.Enjoy,happy and safe hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Cracking rifle and scope.... Went out today with my cz just to check zero and practice a bit...forgot how much I like mine, really nice little gun.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Great little rifle, had mine for just about four years now and still get a lot of enjoyment out of it, it must be that time of year as I was using mine on paper yesterday evening. Reminded me of the bitter sweet early days when I thought the hmr was a real finicky little round that exploded on hitting rain drops. The years have taught me that many of those frustratin times were pilot error and popping five rounds into a fivepence sized circle takes more than just an accurate rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Had mine a few days now and can't believe how accurate it is at any range really . Mines a cz varmit with hawk 4-12x50 with sak mod . I love it and would shoot it all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Nice set up................ 452 is a cracking wee rifle for the money. Happy hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 If you are going to fit a bipod add a 3rd sling stud. the countersink? is already cast into the barrel channel synthetic stock is toooo floppy to hold a bipod on the end stud witthout affecting barrel float Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffo223 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Out of all my rifles ,my Sako quad 17hmr is the first on I go for. I can speak highly of the 17hmr round. Just ordered a custom moderator for mine which is supposed to be quieter than a sak, can't wait. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) If you are going to fit a bipod add a 3rd sling stud. the countersink? is already cast into the barrel channel synthetic stock is toooo floppy to hold a bipod on the end stud witthout affecting barrel float Without doubt the synthetic stock is far from rigid and you are very possibly correct in the highlighted statement, contact may be more on barrel/stock under some bipod pressures. "Some" may have an issue but the VAST majority will not! The Silhouette and Style barrel don't SPECIFICALLY float anyway, the manufacturing process may give that impression but they were always designed/known to have fore stock/barrel contact in the vast majority of shooting situations, it isn't a problem, they are just floppy towards the Schnabel. The HMR is a pussycat and extra barrel/stock contact with a Bipod will cause very few an issue. Just the same, it will always be recommended to take apart a new rifle and check moulding/swarf for unwanted protrusion and re assemble accurately. That's it. Don't try and fix anything until you know it's broken! Edited April 10, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeperchris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Cheers all, Well she shoots straight a half inch group at 80 yards is good enough for me! So at the moment there does not seem to be any issues. Just out of interest what do you guys zero at? Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffo223 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I zero at 100 yards. Seems spot on to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Just out of interest what do you guys zero at? Cheers Chris Zero at 50 yds will give zero at 100 yds give or take a nats cockhair. Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Out of all my rifles ,my Sako quad 17hmr is the first on I go for. I can speak highly of the 17hmr round. Just ordered a custom moderator for mine which is supposed to be quieter than a sak, can't wait. Paul May I ask what Mod you're getting? I use a SAK on my .17HMR and would be interested in anything out there which is a bit quieter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 .................................. "they are just floppy towards the Schnabel.................." I believe you can get tablets for that .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I believe you can get tablets for that .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Zero is down to YOUR requirements from the rifle. You will find many zero around 100 yards and I have heard a figure of 123 or 124 yards as well, this will give a cracking trajectory from about 80-150 yards I understand, perhaps someone may know more about this one and advise us all. Every barrel and every rifle will give different results, but for the HMR they do tend to be similar! Mine is Zeroed to 100 yards and gives a First Zero of around 48 yards with 17g V-Max. That works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Here you go.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Do a trigger job on it Mine shot ok groups but after doing the trigger it made the world of difference. Only costs about £15 for the kit and is a doddle to do yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Zero is down to YOUR requirements from the rifle. You will find many zero around 100 yards and I have heard a figure of 123 or 124 yards as well, this will give a cracking trajectory from about 80-150 yards I understand, perhaps someone may know more about this one and advise us all. Every barrel and every rifle will give different results, but for the HMR they do tend to be similar! Mine is Zeroed to 100 yards and gives a First Zero of around 48 yards with 17g V-Max. That works for me! 125 yard zero data with a scope height of 2": Edited April 11, 2013 by Gregthegreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 125 yard zero data with a scope height of 2": I have to say that a 100 yard Zero works fine for me, but looking at that, with a 125 yard Zero, it does seem virtually point and shoot from 20-145 yards, MAX variation is 1", and generally MUCH better than that. With the grunt of a HMR a 1" MAX variation isn't going to be a problem with any small/medium vermin at those distances! Not familiar with that table, whose is it? 2" Scope height shown, I would have thought 1.5" is nearer the norm, and was that 17g V-Max? It does seem to show a variation from the graph at #18, but there will always be a variation from rifle to rifle anyway, should be close! Interesting stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 That's the Nosler ballistics app on iPhone, I just took a screen shot of it. That's working on the ballistic coefficient and muzzle velocity of Hornady 17grn V-Max. That profile is saved for my rifle which is why it has a setting of 2" for scope height. Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Without doubt the synthetic stock is far from rigid and you are very possibly correct in the highlighted statement, contact may be more on barrel/stock under some bipod pressures. "Some" may have an issue but the VAST majority will not! The Silhouette and Style barrel don't SPECIFICALLY float anyway, the manufacturing process may give that impression but they were always designed/known to have fore stock/barrel contact in the vast majority of shooting situations, it isn't a problem, they are just floppy towards the Schnabel. The HMR is a pussycat and extra barrel/stock contact with a Bipod will cause very few an issue. Just the same, it will always be recommended to take apart a new rifle and check moulding/swarf for unwanted protrusion and re assemble accurately. That's it. Don't try and fix anything until you know it's broken! Dekers, Even with a positive contact setup like you're describing, the bipod can have a bit effect with cheaper synthetic stocks (as in the case of the CZ or Savage). While the HMR is a tame round, a 9" lever arm of a bipod can put a lot of force on the front of the stock and change the contact pressure. In my case with the savage, I could affect the POI by 4" at 100 yards by either pushing into the bipod positively or leaving neutral pressure. It was repeatable so long as you could repeat the same positive pressure on the bipod. That was always the problem for me. I like to shoot pushing into the bipod, but ensuring the same pressure on different surfaces and upward/downward angles was too inconsistent. That's the Nosler ballistics app on iPhone, I just took a screen shot of it. That's working on the ballistic coefficient and muzzle velocity of Hornady 17grn V-Max. That profile is saved for my rifle which is why it has a setting of 2" for scope height. Greg. Those are basically the same numbers I had when I used a HMR, though mine were from the JBM balistics website. I always zeroed at 125 as I was shooting in a lot of open fields and a 125 yard shot was common and out to 200 was not out of the question in still summer air. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Here you go.......................... 100 yds for me 0.9 hold under requirement will give to many easy shot misses, if you chest shoot I doubt it matters much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 100 yds for me 0.9 hold under requirement will give to many easy shot misses, if you chest shoot I doubt it matters much Did I miss something there, are you saying that you cannot accomodate a 0.9" Hold over with a HMR and you will start missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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