tx4cabbie Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I have had my Beretta 682 32" for about 6 years, and for many reasons, not least that it has a cheekeez pad on the comb, it has become the starter Gun for people joining our club who are new to shooting. My Mate started shooting nearly two years ago, with my Gun, and his score went up gradually to the mid thirties out of fifty. Then he got his ticket, and got himself a bettinsoli diamondline o/u 12 with 28" barrels. Obviously, New Gun, takes some time to get used to, but his scores are not improving, staying around the early 20s out of fifty. its not the Gun, bettinsoli are good Guns, and digweed with a baikal would beat me with a kreighoff, it's not the Gun. Eye dominance has been checked and is ok. Gun fit is ok. All I can think of is pattern- I know my Gun shoots about 50/50 above and below the bead, how I mount it. Does his shoot high or low, only way to find out is patterning it. so how? Where do you get paper big enough to pattern a shotgun? Looked online, no-one sells patterning cards, where do you find paper that big? How do you all pattern Your Guns? thanks in advance, leon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 use old rolls of wallpaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) If you go to your local newspaper they often have "short rolls" of news print, I believe it is about 30" wide and I have had rolls--pretty long. I think these shortys are what is left before they change spools. To get on with patterning place the target at an arbitrary distance-most use 40 yds- and put in the tightest tube to see precisely where it centers the charge. I use some marking paint or spray a small ball in the center and back off the distance. Have him throw the gun up and shoot as if it were a moving target- cheek on comb--eyes on ball. This will tell more about fit then deliberately aiming at the dot, all that tells is choke restriction which is important but a separate issue from fit. Cut a piece of plywood or use scrap enough to staple your paper to. I employ an old hinge and some 1X4 for a leg. Edited June 5, 2013 by coyotemaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Where are you. I can get hold of pattern sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMMER BURT Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 most gun clubs have a pattern plate or you could dry mount using a lazer sight made for shot guns it will tell you were its shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 paper disposable table cloths and a soggy round bale end, works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx4cabbie Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Cheers chaps, some great ideas, will look into knocking something up, it's gutting him to struggle on some easy targets, maybe a pattern session will help. we are on the London/Essex border, bakerboy, don't know anywhere round here that does pattern boards or any clubs with pattern plates. Will dig out some battens from garage, and see if any wallpaper or paper tableclothes about. thanks again, leon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Its not necessary to go to 40 yards (which needs very large paper sheets) to see where the pattern is going. I believe a lot of places use 15 to 20 yards. Personally, I would go to a gunfitter/shooting school because you will not learn much by treating the gun like a rifle and lining it up with 'sights'. Most guns when 'aligned' like this will shoot where expected. What you need to do is to see where the gun places the pattern when mounted normally and instinctively - and this is quite hard to do. This is where someone with experience will be able to see what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Most sporters shoot 60% above and 40% below POA, Game are 50%-50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Most sporters shoot 60% above and 40% below POA, Game are 50%-50% I think most game guns shoot a little high as well, 60/40 being considered normal because most game is rising/incoming. I had assumed most clays guns were more 50/50, but no firm knowledge. The only gun I had formally fitted (Beretta game model) was about 60/40, but another I have tried on the plate (no fitting) was nearer 50/50 ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 You can get rolls of banquet paper tablecloth from Makro and other wholesalers. About 4 feet wide and long enough for plenty of targets, pretty cheap too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 A0 printer paper (used on plotters) easily available and can order from stationary suppliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 white board marker sheets things lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I never got my head round patterning. For me it has always been going to the skeet range, and shooting a crosser, doesn't matter which one, and knowing that I can normally hit it. When I don't, with a new gun, I try shooting lower or higher, with the same lead, at the same target. One or the other will always hit it, and then I know how to adjust the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Lots of gun fitters used to use 16 yards as 1" out on the plate was meant to equal roughly 1/16" adjustment to the stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggs Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 I like to pattern my gun on my neighbours freshly washed bed linen, I wish they'd buy some new sheets as I'm now finding it difficult to see where the latest shot is patterning! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickerup Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 apple boxes free from tescoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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