overandunder2012 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Powers that be were happy enough to clamp down on me and others like me when I travelled with the hippy convoy (to the point of beating pregnant women and smashing up peoples homes at the Battle of the Beanfield). Why do they take such a lax attitude with these people? good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 As a Petulengro descendant I would just like to point out many people forget who stole what from who in the first place. Since most common land has been privatised and taken from the various peoples of this land for the sole benefit of rich individuals then where are the people who chose not to live in a fixed brick box supposed to go? http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain Oh yes, introduce the vagrancy act, that should keep the dispossessed in order. http://www.thepavement.org.uk/story.php?story=1029 I say, "rights for dinosaurs," who were here first! The Enclosures Acts tended to affected villagers who - wait for it - lived in the villages where the common land was enclosed. They previously had the right to graze animals, etc, until the common was fenced off. It was not a glorified lay-by to be trashed by passing vagrants. I like a good outrage bus as much as the next pitchfork-waving little Englander and I can't help but think that when nobody - ever - has a good word to say about ****** (or whatever you want to call them), perhaps that reputation is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 When they stop stealing dogs,fuel oil, internet cables..all from within 3 miles of my house I will change my views... Until then only good ones a gone one...and that was being polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Around here they just pull in to a town or village and just take over.We have a local fair here on Easter Monday, that used to be a great day out for the children, but they have now taken it over with horses running up and down through the people and then they take over the local bar and of course after that they try and start trouble with the locals. Iam really not a big fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I actually know a few travellers, and my friend is marrying into a traveller family, they live in a house, work hard have bought him a van and look after each other and the dads main priority is his family, he treated me like royalty offering me to stay for dinner and explained his traveling heritage and why they have now moved into a house in the country....... So I am I firm believer that you can't tar them all with the same brush but even he slagged off "******" saying the younger generation use it as an excuse to rob, fight and do what ever they want and I do agree, since they have been glorified on all these tv program's all iv heard people talk about is how "so and so" down the pub is a bare knuckle boxer and "so and so's" brother is part of the ********'s family. It's all a load of ******** they just leave the land they stay on a mess and walk around with attitude as if there in a boxing ring, the youngens are dreadfull when ******, I avoid them. But there not all like that.Back to the point though I agree that all laws and rules seem different when it comes to travellers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I say, "rights for dinosaurs," who were here first! The Enclosures Acts tended to affected villagers who - wait for it - lived in the villages where the common land was enclosed. They previously had the right to graze animals, etc, until the common was fenced off. It was not a glorified lay-by to be trashed by passing vagrants. I like a good outrage bus as much as the next pitchfork-waving little Englander and I can't help but think that when nobody - ever - has a good word to say about ****** (or whatever you want to call them), perhaps that reputation is correct. I'm not defending anything that goes on these days. I know people suffer horrendous problems. A friend of mine had a bungalow with an orchard. Travellers bought the land next door. Over the next couple of years they chopped down her apple trees, moved into her orchard and, in the end, she had to abandon her bungalow and move into rented property in the nearest town. The Council did nothing. I don't think the enclosures act was quite as fluffy as you make it sound. During the industrial revolution the textile industry needed land for sheep to produce wool. Thousands of people were driven off the land for sheep and agriculture then prosecuted, transported or put in the workhouse for being destitute, even hanged for stealing food. This was 'the establishment' stealing what they wanted. There's only one way anything ever changes and that is when the 'establishment' loses out or sees a way to capitalise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Living a travelling lifestyle isnt a bad thing. Much of the behaviour now associated with the people who now live travelling lifestyles, is Not true Romany behaviour - I remember the Romany travellers who came to our village for the fruit harvests. They worked and worked hard, lived wild with a horse and a caravan with wooden wheels but had as much conscience as we have and were valued, if occasional, members of the local community. Fiercely proud, they had little education but were clean and caring. They trapped and gathered food but almost always with the consent of landowners who knew them. They had a rich history and did not ask for benefits and lived humbly but free. Parents then had no concerns about associating with these honest proud people, . Todays 'travelling folk' are, by comparison, a blight and should be repatriated, after confiscating their Shoguns, Landcruisers and other vehicles for which they have no road tax and for which our society pays, directly or indirectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I actually know a few travellers, and my friend is marrying into a traveller family, they live in a house, work hard have bought him a van and look after each other and the dads main priority is his family, he treated me like royalty offering me to stay for dinner and explained his traveling heritage and why they have now moved into a house in the country....... So I am I firm believer that you can't tar them all with the same brush but even he slagged off "******" saying the younger generation use it as an excuse to rob, fight and do what ever they want and I do agree, since they have been glorified on all these tv program's all iv heard people talk about is how "so and so" down the pub is a bare knuckle boxer and "so and so's" brother is part of the ********'s family. It's all a load of ******** they just leave the land they stay on a mess and walk around with attitude as if there in a boxing ring, the youngens are dreadfull when ******, I avoid them. But there not all like that. Back to the point though I agree that all laws and rules seem different when it comes to travellers It seems to me that some of the main reasons that a lot of people dislike 'travellers' are: 1) They don't pay taxes, and expect to use the usual facilities (hospitals, benefits etc) that we do pay for via taxes. 2) They set up camp anywhere they want to, on land that they do not have permission for, and generally trash the place when they leave. 3) They then claim that we do not understand their culture, and that we should 'live and let live' (as long as it is a one-way street). I have no doubt whatsoever that all are tarred by the same brush, but this is the same for all society, be it run-down council estates or losers that the press and TV love to show and write about. Close to where I live a 'traveller' bought a piece of land and gained permission for it to hold 3 caravans. When locals complained that there were in fact 10 vans on the place he has now applied for 'Retrospective Planning Permission'. Now if you or I try and build a house extension without planning permission the council will then enforce that it be demolished, even if it has been built to a high standard. However. they are scared stiff of the ethnic card being played, and I cannot see this guy being refused permission, or dare I say prosecuted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 we have loads of em around here,lots have decided to live in houses there is a mobile cop shop that moves around from #### house to #### house to watch em they constantly at war with each other they blast each others windows with shotguns as they drive by,they fire vehicles that belong to opposing #### familys,its a war goin on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I couldn't agree more and being that my 2 best friend are farmers I have seen first hand the issues they can cause, but lately it seems to be polish that are poaching rabbits pigeons etc i heard they also steal carp now as we'll? Well that's another story lets not go down that road and start a debate hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Funny how we are all focussed on the ones who leave trash behind and make their presence known by bad behaviour as if they represent the entire community, could it be because the ones who clear up after themselves and don't make a nuisance go largely unnoticed so don't ever get a mention? Can they all be as bad as each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Living a travelling lifestyle isnt a bad thing. Much of the behaviour now associated with the people who now live travelling lifestyles, is Not true Romany behaviour - I remember the Romany travellers who came to our village for the fruit harvests. They worked and worked hard, lived wild with a horse and a caravan with wooden wheels but had as much conscience as we have and were valued, if occasional, members of the local community. Fiercely proud, they had little education but were clean and caring. They trapped and gathered food but almost always with the consent of landowners who knew them. They had a rich history and did not ask for benefits and lived humbly but free. Parents then had no concerns about associating with these honest proud people, . Todays 'travelling folk' are, by comparison, a blight and should be repatriated, after confiscating their Shoguns, Landcruisers and other vehicles for which they have no road tax and for which our society pays, directly or indirectly. Good post which just about sums up the Fairs of my childhood.I knew many Romanies in the past,the vast majority of whom now live in houses and have regular jobs,and very few of them visit the Fair anymore,and those who do carry a big stick. Edited June 21, 2013 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Lets be honest it's the Irish and Irish descended ****** that are the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Lets be honest it's the Irish and Irish descended ****** that are the problem. I'm only putting this in as a comment and not an argument. As I've always known it, as a Petulengro descendant, which is Egyptian/Spanish Gitano descent btw nothing to do with Ireland, the term ***** was always used as a mickey-taking term for East Anglian Gypsies because they catch and eat the Pike from the fens. It is the Giorgios, or Gadgers, (white men) who have turned this, and the term Chav, which means 'boy or lad', into derogatory names. The derogatory Romany term for what are now called ****** was 'hedgecrawlers'. The term 'engro' means maker or smith and a Petul is a horseshoe so Petulengro means horseshoe maker or blacksmith which is why many Gypsies have adopted the Gadger name Smith. I was a saddle-tree maker for 15 years working for Darwood Crafts http://www.kingsaddlery.co.uk/trees.htm and my Grandfather was an Ostler/Gamekeeper. Nothing to do with the topic, just out of interest loik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I was going to put Irish travellers, but that is FAR TOO polite. Any grief I have had or heard about stems from that community. IMO the Irish (what I know as ******) lot have been lumped in with gypsies to the detriment of the later. Interesting info as the origins of words interest me . I'm only putting this in as a comment and not an argument. As I've always known it, as a Petulengro descendant, which is Egyptian/Spanish Gitano descent btw nothing to do with Ireland, the term ***** was always used as a mickey-taking term for East Anglian Gypsies because they catch and eat the Pike from the fens. It is the Giorgios, or Gadgers, (white men) who have turned this, and the term Chav, which means 'boy or lad', into derogatory names. The derogatory Romany term for what are now called ****** was 'hedgecrawlers'. The term 'engro' means maker or smith and a Petul is a horseshoe so Petulengro means horseshoe maker or blacksmith which is why many Gypsies have adopted the Gadger name Smith. I was a saddle-tree maker for 15 years working for Darwood Crafts http://www.kingsaddlery.co.uk/trees.htm and my Grandfather was an Ostler/Gamekeeper. Nothing to do with the topic, just out of interest loik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Well it looks like their now playing the my daughters pregnant card. Interestingly they have said they would be willing to pay ground rent, I find this a little hard to believe as their are plenty of camp sites round here where they could go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 until i saw snatch id never heard the term ***** before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Funny how we are all focussed on the ones who leave trash behind and make their presence known by bad behaviour as if they represent the entire community, could it be because the ones who clear up after themselves and don't make a nuisance go largely unnoticed so don't ever get a mention? Can they all be as bad as each other? You've not had any dealings with ****** have you? ****** who clean up behind themselves and quietly move on, causing no nuisance? Sorry, in my experience, such an animal doesn't exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 To be honest I have never run into a good one, and I always try get on with folk if I can. This brand of people do nothing around here only harm, when they come around they walk about as if they own place and you can bet your life on the fact that someone wil get broken into. There maybe not all bad but as I said I never met a good one..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I'm only putting this in as a comment and not an argument. As I've always known it, as a Petulengro descendant, which is Egyptian/Spanish Gitano descent btw nothing to do with Ireland, the term ***** was always used as a mickey-taking term for East Anglian Gypsies because they catch and eat the Pike from the fens. It is the Giorgios, or Gadgers, (white men) who have turned this, and the term Chav, which means 'boy or lad', into derogatory names. The derogatory Romany term for what are now called ****** was 'hedgecrawlers'. The term 'engro' means maker or smith and a Petul is a horseshoe so Petulengro means horseshoe maker or blacksmith which is why many Gypsies have adopted the Gadger name Smith. I was a saddle-tree maker for 15 years working for Darwood Crafts http://www.kingsaddlery.co.uk/trees.htm and my Grandfather was an Ostler/Gamekeeper. Nothing to do with the topic, just out of interest loik. Think you are confusing "chav" with "Charver". Up here, a young Charver was a young Gippo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Funny how we are all focussed on the ones who leave trash behind and make their presence known by bad behaviour as if they represent the entire community, could it be because the ones who clear up after themselves and don't make a nuisance go largely unnoticed so don't ever get a mention? Can they all be as bad as each other? No it's quite simply the do not exist anymore. We have had a big camp up the road for some 20 years and each generation is worse. They deal drugs, hold illegal fire arms and steal in one way or another. In my opinion they want to live under the radar they forfeit all there rights. They get there bins emptied first and on a weekly basis because if they don't the council has to pick it out the hedge. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebear Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 they leave rubbish everywhere they go don't pay tax and are professional thieves, im sick to the back teeth of them coming hare coursing and getting absolutely no back up from the police id go as far as to say the police are scared to death of them if my books right we have rang them 48 times in the last 3years and not once have they turned up! the names of the family have been given to the police and not once have they been to speak to them the list includes cutting locks of gates (criminal damage) hare coursing (now illegal) driving with no licence- insurance-and false plates-nicking diesel-and any metal left about and even had them on the phone threatening, people will only take so much im afraid and a time will come when they take the law into their own hands after all tony martin had been robbed god knows how many times with no joy from the law and looked what happened there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 So at what point do we go back to? I have no problem with travellers or those wanting to live that life. Where I have an issue with is the mess they leave and the amount of stuff that goes missing off the farm etc. Whilst I am sure there are good travellers, in the last 30 years, I have yet to meet any. Well said ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 As an example of their warm, friendly nature and the benefits to the community that having a nest of scum #### site nearby, I give you: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-23170794 ####s club a pensioner to death, then dodge around other #### sites across the county evading capture, aided and abetted by their brethren. I do not give a toss about "one bad apple," "tarring with the same brush," etc. They are all a cancer on the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 can i just point out that whilst i'm no head case on getting spelling correct, it really is a difficult read when you use the word their instead of there as the two meanings are far from each other agree on the ****** though thank god I'm not the only one, my eye's were doing a double take, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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